Using protection from good and evil should NOT allow you to be charmed by harpies...

[elitkrumpleeharcos]

title.

I was like "Hmm, I am just going to use protection from good and evil! it should protect me from any mind control" but no. And it even states when "lured" that it is a type of charm..

I know the people are like "But that is not the spell Charm" but then it should not list it as a "Charms you" ability when reading description.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Harpies are a monstrosity.

Protection From Evil and Good protects from aberrations, celestials, elementals, fey, fiends and undead.

It's basically "Protection From The Supernatural" and should probably be renamed as such.

[Hobocop]

The benefits of the spell only apply to spells and effects from the creature types listed in the spell (aberrations, celestials, elementals, fey, fiends, undead). Basically anything of extraplanar origin. Harpies are not any of those; they are monstrosities, so the spell does nothing.

[elitkrumpleeharcos]

Originally posted by pandariuskairos:

Harpies are a monstrosity.

Protection From Evil and Good protects from aberrations, celestials, elementals, fey, fiends and undead.

It's basically "Protection From The Supernatural" and should probably be renamed as such.

Still it does not make sense, because they can be called monstrosity, but the thing is that by definition they are "Chaotic Evil" so if they are a monstrosity they should still be on the list. And it already makes no sense for me to use protection from evil and good now, so it just added +1 to why it is useless :/ . I was prepared like "They are evil creatures, this should protect my character".

Nope, got charmed, right away.

[Hobocop]

You'd think so, but no. The name of the spell is a legacy misnomer to how it actually functions in 5e. Alignment is 100% meaningless to the function of the spell.

[elitkrumpleeharcos]

Originally posted by Hobocop:

You'd think so, but no. The name of the spell is a legacy misnomer to how it actually functions in 5e.

Honestly, then that was the last time i used that spell I guess, the only time I thought it would work, it does not :/.

Edit: I also checked this and this is a case a LOT of people argue about, wheter it should work or not, because they are monstrous, but are also chaotic evil :/ .

Sidenote: This could be a fine addition anyway, because it already does not function like 5e version because of duration being infinite.

Sidenote2: Also I have been trying to rescue my man from the harpies, because they are sitting on him, because of that I thought protection would work and seems like i have to leave it for tomorrow, this is just needless stress.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Originally posted by elitkrumpliharcos:

Originally posted by pandariuskairos:

Harpies are a monstrosity.

Protection From Evil and Good protects from aberrations, celestials, elementals, fey, fiends and undead.

It's basically "Protection From The Supernatural" and should probably be renamed as such.

Still it does not make sense, because they can be called monstrosity, but the thing is that by definition they are "Chaotic Evil" so if they are a monstrosity they should still be on the list. And it already makes no sense for me to use protection from evil and good now, so it just added +1 to why it is useless :/ . I was prepared like "They are evil creatures, this should protect my character".

Nope, got charmed, right away.

Yeah, the name no longer really makes sense, which is why I mentioned that they should change the name to something more appropriate.

What it actually does is offer some protection against extra planar creatures (and undead). So something like "Protection From The Supernatural" actually makes more sense.

In any case, the spell is functioning properly - it ONLY protects against aberrations, celestials, elementals, fey, fiends and undead.

Harpies are monstrosities which the spell offers no protection against.

[TheBlueFox]

The name of the spell has no bearing on what it does.

The spell could be called Astral Teabagging, the effect still only applies to specific creature types. Harpies are sadly not of those creature types.

[dolby]

Welcome to 5e you will have cases like that all the time with edge spells.
5e is soft, silly but it's still DnD one of the few good things about it.

This time it's made for dummies i guess and is easy as...
Most of the time you don't even have to read what spells do but it helps if you do.
This spell it's one of those times.

Sadly the name of the spell got nothing to do with what it does and it doesn't even matter at the end...

You can get that disadvantage on enemy attacks other ways and without wasting concentration slot. High ground, poison, blind just to name a few...

[dolby]

Originally posted by Tinball:

Originally posted by dolby:

Welcome to 5e you will have cases like that all the time with edge spells.
5e is soft, silly but it's still DnD one of the few good things about it.

9 million players disagree with this statement. I've never seen DnD more deadly at low level. (other than a d4 MU in 1e)

yeah well so what, even if that would mean anything that's for table top system and how good it's on that platform has no bearing when it comes to video games.

There is no good reason to limit youself the way you do in Pnp for PC.
Adaptation is the way to do it, the more the better in smart way of course.
Computing power changes the way the game can be played, drastically.

Not to mention all the things that one can do in Pnp, where in video games it takes gazillion hours to make a fraction or is just not possible...

In short i support homebrew and will miss backstab...

[dolby]

Originally posted by Tinball:

What is 'the smart way?'

No one really cares what you support.

you do know this works both ways??

Originally posted by Tinball:

Originally posted by dolby:

yeah well so what, even if that would mean anything that's for table top system and how good it's on that platform has no bearing when it comes to video games.

There is no good reason to limit youself the way you do in Pnp for PC.
Adaptation is the way to do it, the more the better in smart way of course.
Computing power changes the way the game can be played, drastically.

This is supposed to be a 'faithful' adaptation of the 5e rule set.

This adaptation' I've seen of the 5e rule set has been pretty much garbage for the most part. What is 'the smart way?'

No one really cares what you support. The public was promised a 5e game.

no the public was promised adaptation of 5e rules for a video game.... that is all
i guess your one of those high ground haters?:)

[dolby]

Originally posted by Tinball:

Originally posted by dolby:

you do know this works both ways??




no the public was promised adaptation of 5e rules for a video game.... that is all
i guess your one of those high ground haters?:)

Yes, it does work both ways, but I never made any proclamations about 5e, that's you my friend.

i just posted my opinion never said it was any great importance. If steam was based on that it would die long ago... You are just hurt cos i don't like what you like as much as you do for some silly reason...

Originally posted by Tinball:

God
Right from Swen's trap:

"Baldur's Gate 3 will be a faithful adaptation of the tabletop's fifth edition rules, set at the current moment in its story, according to Swen Vincke, founder and head of the game's developer, Larian Studios.Feb 1, 2021"

yeah but you'r ignoring adaptation for whatever reason...
With the amount of people having problems with harpies this spell could easly be made to include those effects, adding more use to the spell even if it's nothing like 5e pnp.
anyway i think we are done...