Orin unbeatable boss

[Matamor]

Hi, my main character is a barb and I don't have this missile spell with Gayle : how am I supposed to beat that boss!?? I tried two times and got toasted... The boss takes 1 damage per hit and he kills my whole party in 2 rounds... I would have liked to enjoy my story ending... I think I'm gonna take a break. Any tips, tricks to help me!?

[seeker1]

There's just a few key things to know for the Orin fight:

1. She keeps renewing 7 charges of Unstoppable for as long as the Bhaal cultists keep chanting.
2. The Bhaal cultists are protected by Sanctuary. But that does not protect them from AoEs. And a well positioned AoE can easily hit 2 cultists.

That's it. That's the key to the fight. She can be beaten while Unstoppable keeps renewing, but this is the easiest path. Once her Unstoppable can't be renewed any more, take her down.

[Giganx]

Originally posted by Phoenix:

Originally posted by Giganx:

So 4 pure trickery clerics walk into the fight with complete random specs/gear, no MM or push items/skills.

What's the strategy to burn through her Unstoppable stacks and kill her before they replenish?

The means to beat her are available if you KNOW BEFORE HAND all of the specifics of the fight. If you don't know them before hand, however, you could easily walk into the fight without the specific things you need to deal with her gimmick.

Trickery domain clerics get access to polymorph, I walk into the arena, see its a ledge, polymorph orin and use shove to throw her into the abyss if she is in slayer form

They also get access to pass without trace, i use that, stealth to orin, pick her up and yeet her into the abyss, or shove her.

I don't play trickery cleric but they have spells for options both to make her smaller in her slayer form (assuming it works, unsure how polymorph works on that form, don't see why it wouldn't work though)
as well as stealth before she transforms to kill her before the fight starts. simple.

I'll repeat, random specs/gear. If they let you prepare spells midfight sure, but your strategies assume that you've prepared specific spells because you knew your only option is to cheese her off a cliff.

Do you just not understand the concept of hindsight, and how it's informing all of your strategies? None of this is ♥♥♥♥ you can just do off the cuff with whatever you have available; and none of it is stuff you'd know is necessary before starting the fight.

[Phoenix]

Originally posted by Giganx:

Originally posted by Phoenix:

the basic problem is you're incredibly dense and not understanding what's being said.
Orin is beatable with COUNTLESS METHODS
with skills/without skills/with any class/without a class/with a universal skill available to EVERYONE
with items
with cheese methods
with legit methods
she isn't locked to niche builds
almost ANY method can be used to beat her. you just clearly don't understand basic concepts

So 4 pure trickery clerics walk into the fight with completely random specs/gear/spells prepared; no MM or push items/skills.

What's the strategy to burn through her Unstoppable stacks and kill her before they replenish?

The means to beat her are available if you KNOW BEFORE HAND all of the specifics of the fight. If you don't know them before hand, however, you could easily walk into the fight without the specific things you need to deal with her gimmick.

Again, all of your points are based on prep that assumes prior knowledge. You're just incredibly dense so none of this is sinking in.

Any other completely viable methods you wanna run by me? 4 trickery clerics have all the spells and knowledge they need to deal with her completely.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Originally posted by Giganx:

Originally posted by Phoenix:

the basic problem is you're incredibly dense and not understanding what's being said.
Orin is beatable with COUNTLESS METHODS
with skills/without skills/with any class/without a class/with a universal skill available to EVERYONE
with items
with cheese methods
with legit methods
she isn't locked to niche builds
almost ANY method can be used to beat her. you just clearly don't understand basic concepts

So 4 pure trickery clerics walk into the fight with complete random specs/gear, no MM or push items/skills.

What's the strategy to burn through her Unstoppable stacks and kill her before they replenish?

The means to beat her are available if you KNOW BEFORE HAND all of the specifics of the fight. If you don't know them before hand, however, you could easily walk into the fight without the specific things you need to deal with her gimmick.

Again, all of your points are based on prep that assumes prior knowledge. You're just incredibly dense so none of this is sinking in.

4x Clerics? Doesn't matter much that they're Tricksters.

4x Spiritual Weapons
4x Spirit Guardians
4x Guardians of Faith

This is all basic Cleric kit, so build doesn't matter much. It's just about the passive hits per turn. Add to the above 4 (or 8 if Hasted) melee attacks, and you are getting 16 (or 20) attacks per round in.

This unoptimized, doesn't take any gear into consideration.

[Phoenix]

Originally posted by Giganx:

Originally posted by Phoenix:

Trickery domain clerics get access to polymorph, I walk into the arena, see its a ledge, polymorph orin and use shove to throw her into the abyss if she is in slayer form

They also get access to pass without trace, i use that, stealth to orin, pick her up and yeet her into the abyss, or shove her.

I don't play trickery cleric but they have spells for options both to make her smaller in her slayer form (assuming it works, unsure how polymorph works on that form, don't see why it wouldn't work though)
as well as stealth before she transforms to kill her before the fight starts. simple.

I'll repeat, random specs/gear. If they let you prepare spells midfight sure, but your strategies assume that you've prepared specific spells because you knew your only option is to cheese her off a cliff.

Do you just not understand the concept of hindsight, and how it's informing all of your strategies? None of this is ♥♥♥♥ you can just do off the cuff with whatever you have available.

Ahhh so you're one of those.
"let me prepare this completely unrealistic and impossible situation that would NEVER happen in any realistic situation?" if you're running into obvious fights unprepared then it's your fault.

NO ONE would blindly run into a fight without reviewing the arena and scene and think of viable options. I first went into the arena in this fight thinking "oh...this might be bad, maybe i should prepare a back just incase its tougher than im expecting"

alright. let me give you an example. what would you do if you had no mother, no father, no arms legs or a head? how would you compete in the olympics? what? no answer? guess you should have had hindsight

Do you see how stupid you sound?

You gave me 4 trickster clerics. and orin boss fight. in a REALISTIC situation, you could see her. see the arena, and make changes on visual estimations alone like a normal person. be realistic. don't be an idiot. you look stupid.

[Giganx]

Originally posted by Pan Darius Loveless:

Originally posted by Giganx:

So 4 pure trickery clerics walk into the fight with complete random specs/gear, no MM or push items/skills.

What's the strategy to burn through her Unstoppable stacks and kill her before they replenish?

The means to beat her are available if you KNOW BEFORE HAND all of the specifics of the fight. If you don't know them before hand, however, you could easily walk into the fight without the specific things you need to deal with her gimmick.

Again, all of your points are based on prep that assumes prior knowledge. You're just incredibly dense so none of this is sinking in.

4x Clerics? Doesn't matter much that they're Tricksters.

4x Spiritual Weapons
4x Spirit Guardians
4x Guardians of Faith

This is all basic Cleric kit, so build doesn't matter much. It's just about the passive hits per turn. Add to the above 4 (or 8 if Hasted) melee attacks, and you are getting 16 attacks per round in.

This unoptimized, doesn't take any gear into consideration.

Spirit Weapons = very low to hit chance.
Guardians of Faith = Orin has to stay in their small attack radius.
Spirit Guardians = Only reliable method you mentioned, takes 4 stacks per round assuming Orins minions and Orin herself do absolutely nothing to break concentration.

Also, Cleric melee will also be very low to hit chance.

[Giganx]

Originally posted by Phoenix:

Originally posted by Giganx:

I'll repeat, random specs/gear. If they let you prepare spells midfight sure, but your strategies assume that you've prepared specific spells because you knew your only option is to cheese her off a cliff.

Do you just not understand the concept of hindsight, and how it's informing all of your strategies? None of this is ♥♥♥♥ you can just do off the cuff with whatever you have available.

Ahhh so you're one of those.
"let me prepare this completely unrealistic and impossible situation that would NEVER happen in any realistic situation?" if you're running into obvious fights unprepared then it's your fault.

NO ONE would blindly run into a fight without reviewing the arena and scene and think of viable options. I first went into the arena in this fight thinking "oh...this might be bad, maybe i should prepare a back just incase its tougher than im expecting"

alright. let me give you an example. what would you do if you had no mother, no father, no arms legs or a head? how would you compete in the olympics? what? no answer? guess you should have had hindsight

Do you see how stupid you sound?

You gave me 4 trickster clerics. and orin boss fight. in a REALISTIC situation, you could see her. see the arena, and make changes on visual estimations alone like a normal person. be realistic. don't be an idiot. you look stupid.

No one's going to assume yeeting off a cliff will be their only option, so it's unrealistic to think people are going to rework their party to cheese her (and get no loot for the fight) just because they see a platform.

Orin is a gimmick fight, and once the gimmick is revealed it's too late to do anything about it.

[Edible T-Shirt]

The intended main method of beating the fight is to use AOE damage to take out the enemies with sanctuary BEFORE you try dealing damage to Orin herself. Just focusing on her is still viable (heck, there's even an achievement if you kill her before anyone else in the fight), but that requires build specialization you don't have prepped. The problem is the game never really tells you that AOE damage hurts people with sanctuary, so that central mechanic of taking out her minions first tends to go over most people's heads - myself included.

Glad you were able to beat her!

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Originally posted by Edible T-Shirt:

The intended main method of beating the fight is to use AOE damage to take out the enemies with sanctuary BEFORE you try dealing damage to Orin herself. Just focusing on her is still viable (heck, there's even an achievement if you kill her before anyone else in the fight), but that requires build specialization you don't have prepped. The problem is the game never really tells you that AOE damage hurts people with sanctuary, so that central mechanic of taking out her minions first tends to go over most people's heads - myself included.

Glad you were able to beat her!

That's a fair assessment.

[Phoenix]

Originally posted by Giganx:

Originally posted by Phoenix:

Ahhh so you're one of those.
"let me prepare this completely unrealistic and impossible situation that would NEVER happen in any realistic situation?" if you're running into obvious fights unprepared then it's your fault.

NO ONE would blindly run into a fight without reviewing the arena and scene and think of viable options. I first went into the arena in this fight thinking "oh...this might be bad, maybe i should prepare a back just incase its tougher than im expecting"

alright. let me give you an example. what would you do if you had no mother, no father, no arms legs or a head? how would you compete in the olympics? what? no answer? guess you should have had hindsight

Do you see how stupid you sound?

You gave me 4 trickster clerics. and orin boss fight. in a REALISTIC situation, you could see her. see the arena, and make changes on visual estimations alone like a normal person. be realistic. don't be an idiot. you look stupid.

No one's going to assume yeeting off a cliff will be their only option, so it's unrealistic to think people are going to rework their party to cheese her (and get no loot for the fight) just because they see a platform.

Orin is a gimmick fight, and once the gimmick is revealed it's too late to do anything about it.

its act 3. killing people by ledging is a viable options THROUGH THE ENTIRE GAME
its a simple assumption.
it's not even a rework? polymorph is a good control spell. it's not even difficult for clerics, tey can freely change spells whenever.
you..get...loot for the fight? you kill her, cutscene plays and you get the items on her. the game would break if you didn't loot her. she is an essential death.

have you played this game before? you sound like you're new to this.

not a gimmick fight. she has mechanics. mechanics that have solutions. multiple solutions not just brute force, I'm sorry you're too stupid to realize that yet.

[Phoenix]

Originally posted by Edible T-Shirt:

The intended main method of beating the fight is to use AOE damage to take out the enemies with sanctuary BEFORE you try dealing damage to Orin herself. Just focusing on her is still viable (heck, there's even an achievement if you kill her before anyone else in the fight), but that requires build specialization you don't have prepped. The problem is the game never really tells you that AOE damage hurts people with sanctuary, so that central mechanic of taking out her minions first tends to go over most people's heads - myself included.

Glad you were able to beat her!

The game LITERALLY tells you aoe damage hurts people with santuary. my god do people not know some basics?

right click a character and you can read ALL THEIR EFFECTS AND ABILITIES and I quote:

Sanctuary
Level 1 Abjuration Spell

You or an ally cannot be targeted until you attack or harm a creature. You can still take damage from area spells.

Until the affected entity attacks or harms another creature, it cannot be targeted by enemy attacks. However, it can still take damage from spells that influence a large area.

but yea. ♥♥♥♥ me the game doesn't tell you they can be hurt with aoe spells. nah never

[Giganx]

Originally posted by Phoenix:

Originally posted by Giganx:

No one's going to assume yeeting off a cliff will be their only option, so it's unrealistic to think people are going to rework their party to cheese her (and get no loot for the fight) just because they see a platform.

Orin is a gimmick fight, and once the gimmick is revealed it's too late to do anything about it.

its act 3. killing people by ledging is a viable options THROUGH THE ENTIRE GAME
its a simple assumption.
it's not even a rework? polymorph is a good control spell. it's not even difficult for clerics, tey can freely change spells whenever.
you..get...loot for the fight? you kill her, cutscene plays and you get the items on her. the game would break if you didn't loot her. she is an essential death.

have you played this game before? you sound like you're new to this.

not a gimmick fight. she has mechanics. mechanics that have solutions. multiple solutions not just brute force, I'm sorry you're too stupid to realize that yet.

Not getting loot for ledging people is established THROUGH THE ENTIRE GAME. Why would someone ledge a boss if they assume they'll want the loot?

Seriously, do you not know what hindsight is? Please define that word for me.

It's a gimmick fight. Mechanics are something you can read or reasonably intuit and be prepared for beforehand. A gimmick is something with no warning that requires you to have a specific response already prepared, which requires either dumb luck or priior knowledge.

[Phoenix]

Originally posted by Giganx:

Originally posted by Phoenix:

its act 3. killing people by ledging is a viable options THROUGH THE ENTIRE GAME
its a simple assumption.
it's not even a rework? polymorph is a good control spell. it's not even difficult for clerics, tey can freely change spells whenever.
you..get...loot for the fight? you kill her, cutscene plays and you get the items on her. the game would break if you didn't loot her. she is an essential death.

have you played this game before? you sound like you're new to this.

not a gimmick fight. she has mechanics. mechanics that have solutions. multiple solutions not just brute force, I'm sorry you're too stupid to realize that yet.

Not getting loot for ledging people is established THROUGH THE ENTIRE GAME. Why would someone ledge a boss if they assume they'll want the loot?

Seriously, do you not know what hindsight is? Please define that word for me.

It's a gimmick fight. Mechanics are something you can read or reasonably intuit and be prepared for beforehand. A gimmick is something that requires you to have a specific response prepared, which requires either dumb luck or priior knowledge.

yes. BASIC none essential bosses who don't hold key items for the game.
you KNOW she has a stone. you also know ledging is a thing and was put in by the devs. you also know surely they would have planned for someone ledging to kill her or they would have blocked it and made it impossible.
If you can't think that far ahead I genuinely worry for you.

"hmm this boss has an item i need...but the devs have added a way for me to insta kill her. surely they would have accounted for this and i'd surely still get the esssential item needed to progress the story...right?"

No prior knowledge needed. just common.sense.

I do not need to define a word you clearly do not know

It is a boss with mechanics. you can literally right click her and all her minions and read everything they have BEFORE the fight starts and plan accordingly, meaning you can prepare beforehand if you so choose. WHY is this so difficult for you? were you dropped on your head? genuine question?

[Giganx]

Originally posted by Phoenix:

yes. BASIC none essential bosses who don't hold key items for the game.
you KNOW she has a stone. you also know ledging is a thing and was put in by the devs. you also know surely they would have planned for someone ledging to kill her or they would have blocked it and made it impossible.
If you can't think that far ahead I genuinely worry for you.

"hmm this boss has an item i need...but the devs have added a way for me to insta kill her. surely they would have accounted for this and i'd surely still get the esssential item needed to progress the story...right?"

No prior knowledge needed. just common.sense.

I do not need to define a word you clearly do not know

It is a boss with mechanics. you can literally right click her and all her minions and read everything they have BEFORE the fight starts and plan accordingly, meaning you can prepare beforehand if you so choose. WHY is this so difficult for you? were you dropped on your head? genuine question?

Right, you'd immediately assume that ledging the boss will still leave it magically lootable. You wouldn't consider it might bug the fight; break the story by voiding an essential item; give you the stone without letting you loot her corpse. You'd automatically know that ledging her magically lets you loot every single thing on her body.

Brilliant, clearly none of your amazing deductions are being informed by hindsight. It's all just super obvious stuff.

You definitely need to define that word, because everything you say relies on hindsight.

Also, the way her unstoppable works isn't examinable before the fight, nor is there any way to know about her transformation.

[pirate135246]

just buy a mm scroll.....