Orin unbeatable boss

[Matamor]

Hi, my main character is a barb and I don't have this missile spell with Gayle : how am I supposed to beat that boss!?? I tried two times and got toasted... The boss takes 1 damage per hit and he kills my whole party in 2 rounds... I would have liked to enjoy my story ending... I think I'm gonna take a break. Any tips, tricks to help me!?

[Phoenix]

Originally posted by Recjawjind:

Originally posted by Phoenix:

No. its called "this person has x, how do I counter it, Oh I know, there are options a b c d e f g h i could use, what best fits what i have?"

I could link you a video right now of someone beating orin with just a simple knockback spell and invisiblity. no "specific gimmick" no mm no multihitting, completely bypassing her unstoppable

There isn't a single fight in this game I'd classify as a "gimmick fight".
There are mechanics, that you can choose to ignore if you want to because you have 20 different ways to win the fight.

Exactly. there are some fights you can just straight up ignore and talk your way through it. or end before it even begins, people seem to lack creativity "wahh this is too hard, i can't think of any way to beat it without this specific thing i don't have :("

[northernwater]

She is weak to WIS saving throws. She has a +10 to Incapacitation Spells. So use Tasha's Laughter and Upcast Phantasmal Killer. Make sure your casters have high Spell DC.

[Recjawjind]

Originally posted by Phoenix:

Originally posted by Recjawjind:

There isn't a single fight in this game I'd classify as a "gimmick fight".
There are mechanics, that you can choose to ignore if you want to because you have 20 different ways to win the fight.

Exactly. there are some fights you can just straight up ignore and talk your way through it. or end before it even begins, people seem to lack creativity "wahh this is too hard, i can't think of any way to beat it without this specific thing i don't have :("

And even then, you're often primed for what to expect.
Orin? Unstoppable, piercing vuln, lots of damage, just like all those bhaalists I just fought

Grym? Rubble in the area is vulnerable to bludgeoning damage, best have some hard hitting bludgeoning weapon on hand to bust my way trough

Toll collector in the toll house? Lots of money on the ground, this enemy might have something to do with money.. What do toll collectors do? They take your money. Guess money might play a role in the upcoming fight.

Auntie ethel? The swamp is one big illusion and the redcaps were disguised by illusions. She might use illusions when you fight her. She's also a hag, a caster. Maybe silence will help.

Things like that.

[AlmightyDunkle]

My fiance and I fought her for the first time the other day with no knowledge of the battle.

We didn't have magic missile or scorching ray and kind of...winged it?

Ignored the cultists. My fighter had three attacks per round and my fiance's thief had two extra BA's to off hand attack, with stacking dice damage sometimes it counted as more than one.

Gale would blast her afterwards and Shart would have a perpetual moonbeam on.

The saving grace however was that she kept falling her saving throws for Otto's Irresistible Dance, she could barely do anything even when we failed to take out her stacks.

[Kaisha]

Originally posted by Phoenix:

give me one example of a boss thats impossible without the right gear and build

I didn't say that, I said 'Many of the fights are near impossible if you had no idea and didn't build right'.

there are people who have done this game on honour mode as a solo character without issue

I can too. I've cleared it twice on honor mode, 2nd time without a single death. No cheese, no stealth exploits, no illithid.

its just creativity and game mechanic knowledge, thats all, any build, any class, can win the game if you just use your strengths and what the game can do for you

Any class you say? So, I look forward to seeing your solo honor mode cleric trickster...

The bottom line in many of the mechanics are unintuitive, if not out right ridiculous. The tooltips are useless, the mechanics not properly documented, the whole combat system is an unbalanced mess. It's why something as simple as the ray of frost cantrip can become one of the hardest hitting spells in the game, why bards make better rangers than rangers, and why monks are better rogues than rogues.

Damage riders, and their weird interactions are the difference between pitiful damage and OP. Vulnerability and crit stacking allow all the silly 'solo'd Ansure in 1 turn on honor mode' type nonsense. And stealth abuse allows near infinite kiting because the AI is so dumb it can't even path in a straight line. But if you don't know those tricks, you can easily find yourself fcked.

So stop pretending being a try-hard troglodyte makes you a better player. This game isn't hard, it's just a mess. You want to pretend you're good at games, go do some mythic runs on WoW, or hit up league and try and hit anything higher than platinum. But no one gives a sht about your prowess in BG3, the game's for shts'n'giggles, nothing more.

[Recjawjind]

Originally posted by Kaisha:

Any class you say? So, I look forward to seeing your solo honor mode cleric trickster..

Tooooo be fair radiant orb + reverberation stacking works on any cleric subclass and is pretty good. It's ofc better in multiclass but still works as a mono trickster cleric.

[Kaisha]

Originally posted by Pan Darius Loveless:

This is a feature of "puzzle based" combat encounter design.

It's unfair, then it's trivial. It's never fun or engaging, it's either frustrating, or utterly boring, nothing inbetween...

Not even remotely true. That's just because devs don't care and gamers will praise any sht thrown their way, no matter how bad, if it's pretty.

Atlas Reactor was a masterclass in game design and balance. By far the best strategy game ever made. It died out BECAUSE it was an actual strategy game, and not just a 'find the meta/abuse the meta' game.

[Phoenix]

Originally posted by Recjawjind:

Originally posted by Phoenix:

Exactly. there are some fights you can just straight up ignore and talk your way through it. or end before it even begins, people seem to lack creativity "wahh this is too hard, i can't think of any way to beat it without this specific thing i don't have :("

And even then, you're often primed for what to expect.
Orin? Unstoppable, piercing vuln, lots of damage, just like all those bhaalists I just fought

Grym? Rubble in the area is vulnerable to bludgeoning damage, best have some hard hitting bludgeoning weapon on hand to bust my way trough

Toll collector in the toll house? Lots of money on the ground, this enemy might have something to do with money.. What do toll collectors do? They take your money. Guess money might play a role in the upcoming fight.

Auntie ethel? The swamp is one big illusion and the redcaps were disguised by illusions. She might use illusions when you fight her. She's also a hag, a caster. Maybe silence will help.

Things like that.

You don't even need gold to beat the toll collector, you get an achievement for beating her by just talking lol, i talked her into blowing herself up lol

[Recjawjind]

Originally posted by Phoenix:

You don't even need gold to beat the toll collector, you get an achievement for beating her by just talking lol, i talked her into blowing herself up lol

I was mostly referring to Jealous Avarice doing way, way more damage if youre loaded on cash.

[Kaisha]

Originally posted by Recjawjind:

Tooooo be fair radiant orb + reverberation stacking works on any cleric subclass and is pretty good. It's ofc better in multiclass but still works as a mono trickster cleric.

And you'll do wonderful in Act 2... I'll be interested to see how Act 1/Act 3 go though. There's certainly a few encounters that will not be easy.

Granted with enough illithid powers even trickster solo is probably do-able, with some weird bhallist amor setup.

[northernwater]

Originally posted by Pan Darius Loveless:

It's funny because I almost lost my HM run tonight at the goblin camp when I tried moving an explosive barrel near the passed out drunks and it woke them up, then I tried to bribe them with alcohol but I didn't have any in my inventory, so...

Next thing I know everyone in the courtyard is aggroed as well. All but one in my party went down at some point, but I managed to kill everything except the ogre door guard and then escape to camp. I'm trying to decide if it's better to res with Withers or a scroll.

Anyway, that whole fight went sideways on me, and I had to burn every spell slot just to survive, but it was fun...

What level were you?

[Phoenix]

Originally posted by Kaisha:

Originally posted by Phoenix:

give me one example of a boss thats impossible without the right gear and build

I didn't say that, I said 'Many of the fights are near impossible if you had no idea and didn't build right'.

there are people who have done this game on honour mode as a solo character without issue

I can too. I've cleared it twice on honor mode, 2nd time without a single death. No cheese, no stealth exploits, no illithid.

its just creativity and game mechanic knowledge, thats all, any build, any class, can win the game if you just use your strengths and what the game can do for you

Any class you say? So, I look forward to seeing your solo honor mode cleric trickster...

The bottom line in many of the mechanics are unintuitive, if not out right ridiculous. The tooltips are useless, the mechanics not properly documented, the whole combat system is an unbalanced mess. It's why something as simple as the ray of frost cantrip can become one of the hardest hitting spells in the game, why bards make better rangers than rangers, and why monks are better rogues than rogues.

Damage riders, and their weird interactions are the difference between pitiful damage and OP. Vulnerability and crit stacking allow all the silly 'solo'd Ansure in 1 turn on honor mode' type nonsense. And stealth abuse allows near infinite kiting because the AI is so dumb it can't even path in a straight line. But if you don't know those tricks, you can easily find yourself fcked.

So stop pretending being a try-hard troglodyte makes you a better player. This game isn't hard, it's just a mess. You want to pretend you're good at games, go do some mythic runs on WoW, or hit up league and try and hit anything higher than platinum. But no one gives a sht about your prowess in BG3, the game's for shts'n'giggles, nothing more.

They aren't even near impossible
yes. any class.

Again. this ENTIRELY sounds like a you issue.
Clearly these games aren't for you. perhaps tetris? or pacman?

it's not even "being a try-hard troglodyte" its just having simple common sense. which you seem to lack if ledging orin is such an alien and unknown concept to you
I wouldn't play wow even if I was paid to.
as for league, ranked is cringe. I already perform better than diamond/master player in most cases and have played with and against both diamond and master rank players with not much effort. Am I the best at it? no. I play that for fun.

Again. you're very defencive for lacking simple common sense and logic. understandable, your 2 brain cells are struggling on the ledging orin bit still. I'll give you a minute

[Recjawjind]

Originally posted by Kaisha:

And you'll do wonderful in Act 2... I'll be interested to see how Act 1/Act 3 go though. There's certainly a few encounters that will not be easy.

Granted with enough illithid powers even trickster solo is probably do-able, with some weird bhallist amor setup.

The build comes online properly at 5 (since you kiiiinda do need spirit guardians) but the gear early on is easily within reach (selunite outpost, omeluum, then creche and then last light and you're basically fully geared) early on, in the lategame you'll just have to stack save boni since you're basically invincible to regular attacks and can just repeatedly pass turns as enemies die in your spirit guardians, unable to hit you. Against things that still do half damage on save, you can get omni res and sustain with infinite high tier health pots, but otherwise you're just a lawnmower.

[Kaisha]

Originally posted by Recjawjind:

The build comes online properly at 5 (since you kiiiinda do need spirit guardians) but the gear early on is easily within reach (selunite outpost, omeluum, then creche and then last light and you're basically fully geared) early on, in the lategame you'll just have to stack save boni since you're basically invincible to regular attacks and can just repeatedly pass turns as enemies die in your spirit guardians, unable to hit you. Against things that still do half damage on save, you can get omni res and sustain with infinite high tier health pots, but otherwise you're just a lawnmower.

I am well aware of the build... and you are near invincible to melee attacks, but not to spells and to a lesser extent ranged. Fights like Grym, Yurigir, Ansur, Sarevok, watchers, are all going to be... interesting. Add radiant retort into the mix (House of Grief, Raph) and things are even more interesting (necro spirit guardians doesn't get all the fun procs).

[Recjawjind]

Originally posted by Kaisha:

Originally posted by Recjawjind:

The build comes online properly at 5 (since you kiiiinda do need spirit guardians) but the gear early on is easily within reach (selunite outpost, omeluum, then creche and then last light and you're basically fully geared) early on, in the lategame you'll just have to stack save boni since you're basically invincible to regular attacks and can just repeatedly pass turns as enemies die in your spirit guardians, unable to hit you. Against things that still do half damage on save, you can get omni res and sustain with infinite high tier health pots, but otherwise you're just a lawnmower.

I am well aware of the build... and you are near invincible to melee attacks, but not to spells and to a lesser extent ranged. Fights like Grym, Yurigir, Ansur, Sarevok, watchers, are all going to be... interesting. Add radiant retort into the mix (House of Grief, Raph) and things are even more interesting (necro spirit guardians doesn't get all the fun procs).

Yeah that's why it kinda requires stacking assloads of saving throw boni, and honestly, grym would probably be a skip in this challenge, least until you're well into act 2 if you have a rule of not skipping any major fights.
Tho hammering out an adamantine shield and running (if possible, never ran from grym but can maybe misty step out of the arena?) is prolly a good idea.
Then for the radiant retort stuff you indeed get way fewer procs, but still a decent number.
I think it should def be possible, but is definitely among the harder runs to complete.