Please stop using BG3 Mod Fixer, like now

[Lani]

It's utterly pointless to have it installed at this point and will bork things up post update 16.

BG3 Mod Fixer, Last updated 22 August 2023 3:47PM
If you check the dates on the mods you're using it's going to be the oldest one at this point. If you have any older mods than that, you should dump those too.

This deprecated mod, meant to let you use pre-release mods with the release version of the game was useful for about three weeks, then it stopped being useful. It's effectively abandoned by the creator and all the posts on Nexus about it have been to warn against it, for months now.

Yes, if you use Nexusmods then about half the mods you use probably list it as a prerequisite on the site. Those modders are not doing their due diligence or can't easily remove it as a prerequisite after having added it. You should pester them about it and ask them why they have BG3 Mod Fixer still listed as a prerequisite.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Lani:

Please stop using BG3 Mod Fixer, like now
It's utterly pointless to have it installed at this point and will bork things up post update 16.

BG3 Mod Fixer, Last updated 22 August 2023 3:47PM
If you check the dates on the mods you're using it's going to be the oldest one at this point. If you have any older mods than that, you should dump those too.

This deprecated mod, meant to let you use pre-release mods with the release version of the game was useful for about three weeks, then it stopped being useful. It's effectively abandoned by the creator and all the posts on Nexus about it have been to warn against it, for months now.

Yes, if you use Nexusmods then about half the mods you use probably list it as a prerequisite on the site. Those modders are not doing their due diligence or can't easily remove it as a prerequisite after having added it. You should pester them about it and ask them why they have BG3 Mod Fixer still listed as a prerequisite.

It is a matter of a handful of clicks, literal number, to remove such from the requirements list.

But you are absolutely right. I could not find many mods I could showcase and recommend because of how bad some mod descriptions are, not fulfilling any modding scene standards.

A lot of them are like: here you go, figure it out yourself.

Therefore I recommend: do not use what you do not understand. If it is not properly explained by the mod author be wary and use something else instead.

[Geralt]

Originally posted by Lani:

It's utterly pointless to have it installed at this point and will bork things up post update 16.

BG3 Mod Fixer, Last updated 22 August 2023 3:47PM
If you check the dates on the mods you're using it's going to be the oldest one at this point. If you have any older mods than that, you should dump those too.

This deprecated mod, meant to let you use pre-release mods with the release version of the game was useful for about three weeks, then it stopped being useful. It's effectively abandoned by the creator and all the posts on Nexus about it have been to warn against it, for months now.

Yes, if you use Nexusmods then about half the mods you use probably list it as a prerequisite on the site. Those modders are not doing their due diligence or can't easily remove it as a prerequisite after having added it. You should pester them about it and ask them why they have BG3 Mod Fixer still listed as a prerequisite.

I also felt the need to quote the entire OP, the very first thing people read, for a brushed-off response.

[seeker1]

There is a worse problem. Not only does it "fix" something that hasn't been a problem since I think early release days, it creates issues not just with Hotfix 16 but also the Epilogue. (I even think it MAY be interfering with post-patch 5 "good Minthara acquisition" but unsure.)

Worst of all, not only are some modders at Nexus that are saying it's a prerequisite (when it isn't) -- some are embedding into their mods. That means you may even have it WITHOUT KNOWING IT. And in my case, although the Windows Mod Manager can show you mods that have it embedded, the Mac Mod Manager does not.

I currently can't view the Epilogue, and I know it's because it's embedded in other mods. I have NEVER used it as a Standalone. Unfortunately I can't "see" which ones. And no, disabling ALL my mods just to see the Epilogue - yeah sorry I have no mod free saves and some can't be because they create save dependencies.

In short, mod authors, I beg you, not only stop listing this as a prereq. but also PLEASE stop embedding it inside your mods.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by seeker1:

There is a worse problem. Not only does it "fix" something that hasn't been a problem since I think early release days, it creates issues not just with Hotfix 16 but also the Epilogue.

Worst of all, not only are some modders at Nexus that are saying it's a prerequisite (when it isn't) -- some are embedding into their mods. That means you may even have it WITHOUT KNOWING IT. And in my case, although the Windows Mod Manager can show you mods that have it embedded, the Mac Mod Manager does not.

I currently can't view the Epilogue, and I know it's because it's embedded in other mods. I have NEVER used it as a Standalone. Unfortunately I can't "see" which ones. And no, disabling ALL my mods just to see the Epilogue - yeah sorry I have no mod free saves and some can't be because they create save dependencies.

In short, mod authors, I beg you, not only stop listing this as a prereq. but also PLEASE stop embedding it inside your mods.

Wait. Really?! I thought it was a Mac specific issue that the epilogue cannot be accessed.
It did not occur to me that there are so many mod users on Mac.

[seeker1]

Mac users are having problems IN the epilogue.
But BG3 Mod Fixer blocks people from seeing it.
This can be solved on Windows easily - with Script Extender. Unfortunately, as I keep saying, SE doesn't work on Macs.
So here's the deal. I can't see the Epilogue and I'm sure that's WHY - but I don't have that solution. And again, I think it's because it is EMBEDDED in other mods, but I can't SEE which ones.

Boy, I would LOVE to have Script Extender if I COULD. I think somebody offered Norbyte $200 to port it to Mac. He said no, and I guess it would be a lot of work. Not even worth that small amount of money. Perhaps people will keeping upping the offers, LOL. It not only solves a number of problems, but some of the best mods require it. Like Daughter of Lolth, Recruit Any NPC, Polyamory Mod, Custom Hirelings, in short anything that requires modifying scripting the game. ALSO, you can't use Compatibility Framework without it. And in turn, without CF, you can't add more than 1 subclass mod to a class, nor get spell adding mods to cooperate. I'm currently having issues doing exactly that with 5E spells and PF2E spells. It seems to be one or the other, and I'll stick with the ones not from a foreign gamiverse for now, "LOL".

I messed around with Debug Book - has some of SE's functionality - but wow it is abandonware also, has no documentation, and, lemme put it this way, don't bother with it, a lot of options are referring to things that no longer exist in the game and you even need a second update somebody ELSE made to use it post-patch 4.

That said, it's the first non-SE based mod I've seen that can actually AWARD XP or raise you a level -- non SE based mods can modify progression but not do that -- again cuz it probably requires affecting game scripts.

Somebody wrote a Mac Mod Manager, to which I can only say thanks, when the game came out for Macs, there wasn't one, but there now is one at GitHub. It does 90% of what you need a Mod Manager to do - mainly disable, delete, change load order.

I'd love if it could show me which mods have "Mod Fixer" embedded. (Windows Mod Manager does.) But hey, look, as I said, it does 90% of what I need.

[Lani]

My intent for my original post was to keep "technical stuff" out of it as much as possible and address the issue at a not tech savvy level.
So often here and elsewhere people will brush of the technicalities and go with things like "Oh but it's recommended by all those modders, surely it can't harm" and leave it at that. So this an attempt to point out some non technical red flags regarding this deprecated mod, and maybe by extrapolation others as well. I didn't initially want to mention update 16 specifically but decided to hoping people would realize that a fix for 0.9 to 1.0 has no bearing anymore for 1.16.

Which is not to say you can't have at it with technical discussions about this and other aged mods here. Just a clarification on why I didn't in the OP.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Lani:

My intent for my original post was to keep "technical stuff" out of it as much as possible and address the issue at a not tech savvy level.
So often here and elsewhere people will brush of the technicalities and go with things like "Oh but it's recommended by all those modders, surely it can't harm" and leave it at that. So this an attempt to point out some non technical red flags regarding this deprecated mod, and maybe by extrapolation others as well. I didn't initially want to mention update 16 specifically but decided to hoping people would realize that a fix for 0.9 to 1.0 has no bearing anymore for 1.16.

Which is not to say you can't have at it with technical discussions about this and other aged mods here. Just a clarification on why I didn't in the OP.

That is fine. I am still annoyed about the fact that most threads, wherever you look, about the related issues do no start with "I use this and that mod", but instead they pretend they never used mods. That is in my opinion the biggest issue in the story.

[seeker1]

I've seen 2 posts so far here and I think at Reddit where people said they had a PS5 or no mods on a PC and got the issue with Hotfix 16 & quest items.

I don't like to accuse people of lying. Why would somebody lie about using a PS5? They can be mistaken. And on PC, a person without tech sophistication might not know they still have mods enabled even when they think they don't.

Is this happening to people without mods? Unsure. I think no. But still unsure. Larian is telling people reporting the issue that it's their mods but are not saying which ones.

[seeker1]

Originally posted by Lani:

My intent for my original post was to keep "technical stuff" out of it as much as possible and address the issue at a not tech savvy level.

While I don't want to get into the tech weeds here, I just think it's something people need to know. If they don't have it as a standalone mod, it MIGHT be embedded in other mods you have. Thus, it could be affecting you without even knowing it.

For whatever reason - the OTHER Hotfix 16 villain appears to be Party Limit Begone - legacy version. And here comes my other spiel. Don't use it. Use the 2.0 Script Extender based version. Unless you HAVE to. I do. Why? Requires Script Extender. No can do on Mac.

Some day maybe somebody will offer Norbyte a cool million to port it, maybe that will change his mind, "LOL". Alternatively, Sven, I'll buy you an ice cream if "official modding support" ends up MEANING people no longer NEED Script Extender to have its functionality as to modding the game through other mods. It means opening up the debug console to users, basically.

I know they don't want to. It is a path to crashing your game for a large amount of the unwashed masses. But then it also unlocks the tastiest ways to change up the game.

In short, with great power comes great responsibility. "LOL".

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by seeker1:

I've seen 2 posts so far here and I think at Reddit where people said they had a PS5 or no mods on a PC and got the issue with Hotfix 16 & quest items.

I don't like to accuse people of lying. Why would somebody lie about using a PS5? They can be mistaken. And on PC, a person without tech sophistication might not know they still have mods enabled even when they think they don't.

Is this happening to people without mods? Unsure. I think no. But still unsure.

While you are not wrong about the "innocent until proven" thought, which I like, it is still suspicious that no one share their savegame even when asked. And when shared, since hotfix#16, every savegame I have seen for checking had a mod dependency intrigated.

[seeker1]

A person using a PS5 can't be lying about not using mods, they can't use any. They could be lying about using a PS5. Why they would do that, dunno.

But you can't use a PS5 with Steam, so they also are not going to be posting here. There is a guy at Reddit who says he is getting this with his PS5. He MAY be mistaken.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by seeker1:

A person using a PS5 can't be lying about not using mods, they can't use any. They could be lying about using a PS5. Why they would do that, dunno.

But you can't use a PS5 with Steam, so they also are not going to be posting here. There is a guy at Reddit who says he is getting this with his PS5. He MAY be mistaken.

I do not deny that statement. Especilly with a PS5 user. But just yesterday I had someone claiming they play the game on GeForce Now. Turned out they were lying about the capabilities they had on GeForce Now. Such cases make me trust such claims less and less without solid proof.

So even with a PS5 user, I would expect first they clean the cache as much as they can, even if it means reinstalling the game. Again: I am with you on that matter, that a PS5 user cannot use mods and if their case is legit, it might open up other questions/possibilities. But I can assure you I have seen so many cases where people lied.

[ppaladin123]

Originally posted by Lani:

It's utterly pointless to have it installed at this point and will bork things up post update 16.

BG3 Mod Fixer, Last updated 22 August 2023 3:47PM
If you check the dates on the mods you're using it's going to be the oldest one at this point. If you have any older mods than that, you should dump those too.

This deprecated mod, meant to let you use pre-release mods with the release version of the game was useful for about three weeks, then it stopped being useful. It's effectively abandoned by the creator and all the posts on Nexus about it have been to warn against it, for months now.

Yes, if you use Nexusmods then about half the mods you use probably list it as a prerequisite on the site. Those modders are not doing their due diligence or can't easily remove it as a prerequisite after having added it. You should pester them about it and ask them why they have BG3 Mod Fixer still listed as a prerequisite.

So in general, any mod that has an original upload date post August 2023 should be good to go without the modfixer even if the author lists it as a requirement? I am happy to remove from my load list but also don't want to break anything accidentally.

[Lani]

Originally posted by ppaladin123:

So in general, any mod that has an original upload date post August 2023 should be good to go without the modfixer even if the author lists it as a requirement? I am happy to remove from my load list but also don't want to break anything accidentally.

Yes, any mod made or updated post release should have no business using that mod at all.

[Koala 4peace]

Seriously, there is no point in quoting the entirety of the first post. Is in every page of the thread (one at the time of writing this) for everybody to see...