Oath broken for slaying goblin?

[Kirb]

So I was just doing the goblin ambush in the town and when I shot a goblin with my crossbow, I got the "Oath Broken" effect?

Is smiting goblins considered an unholy action now?

[The Private]

Had the same problem after freeing Halsin and deciding to kill all the goblins with him. First fight out of the pens, i kill a hostile goblin and bam, oath of devotion broken. Not much sense there.

[Gingermonkey]

I believe its the "betrayal" of the act.

Originally posted by The Private:

Had the same problem after freeing Halsin and deciding to kill all the goblins with him. First fight out of the pens, i kill a hostile goblin and bam, oath of devotion broken. Not much sense there.

I imagine you talked your way in peacefully (in both these cases), and then by turning on them to free Halsin, it counts as breaking your oath.

[Kirb]

Originally posted by RMS_Gingermonkey:

I believe its the "betrayal" of the act.

Originally posted by The Private:

Had the same problem after freeing Halsin and deciding to kill all the goblins with him. First fight out of the pens, i kill a hostile goblin and bam, oath of devotion broken. Not much sense there.

I imagine you talked your way in peacefully (in both these cases), and then by turning on them to free Halsin, it counts as breaking your oath.

That would make sense seeing as it forced me to talk to the goblins in the town AFTER Lae'zel had thrown one from the roof. I think it's pretty obvious I intended to fight them before they forced me into an oath-breaking dialogue, it even started combat after the talking stopped so..? Just Larian things.

[The Private]

Originally posted by RMS_Gingermonkey:

I believe its the "betrayal" of the act.

Originally posted by The Private:

Had the same problem after freeing Halsin and deciding to kill all the goblins with him. First fight out of the pens, i kill a hostile goblin and bam, oath of devotion broken. Not much sense there.

I imagine you talked your way in peacefully (in both these cases), and then by turning on them to free Halsin, it counts as breaking your oath.

Well, the only reason i got in "peacefully" was because they supposedly had Halsin hostage, and a large scale fight would put him in danger. After i rescued him there was no reason for it, i never swore i would not harm them, i simply intimidated them to let me pass. If this is as intended i see a very tortured logic here.

[Patrick]

The oath breaking seems somewhat arbitrary right now - I hope they change it. I think any oath breaking should be very obvious and signalled clearly.

[Cirrus]

Originally posted by Patrick:

The oath breaking seems somewhat arbitrary right now - I hope they change it. I think any oath breaking should be very obvious and signalled clearly.

It will not be signaled. It is the whole point.

[Gingermonkey]

Rather than be signaled, i feel that your Oath should be clearly stated at character creation. What your oath stands for , whats not allowed, etc. Theres a little blurb on your oath armor, but thats all you get

[Mosey]

Not sure if it makes a difference, but I was playing a paladin in a group of murder hobos and as long as I didn't make the first strike and as long as I kept non-lethal damage activated I kept my oath.

I'm sure there are special cases to be found, but it's worth mentioning.

[Dragon Master]

Originally posted by Mosey:

Not sure if it makes a difference, but I was playing a paladin in a group of murder hobos and as long as I didn't make the first strike and as long as I kept non-lethal damage activated I kept my oath.

I'm sure there are special cases to be found, but it's worth mentioning.

I think that does count.

Swen made it clear in the Panel when he demonstrated breaking the oath that he wanted his paladin to initiate combat with the tieflings because it would be the paladin determining the events and not any of the other party members.

[Longboat]

There are some bugs still I feel. I broke my oath after killing a Goblin (Novice Gnat iirc, one of the ones surrounding Dror Ragzlin). Now this was when I was going on a killing spree with Halsin and taking out Ragzlin, Gut and Minthara and ofc having to deal with every other Goblin within the temple too. So I had naturally slaughtered plenty of goblins in this fight alone, in addition to the ones leading up to it within the temple. And this kill was literally right after he flung some acid at my face. Realistically, absolutely nothing about my Oath forbade me from killing this specific goblin but allowed me to kill all the others so it must've been a bug.
Either way, it's EA so it's to be expected and I'm now down 2000 coins.

[Lord Adorable]

Attacking someone first or breaking your word after talking it out without violence counts as oathbreaking.

[Mr Pibbleton]

Oath of the ancients rules because I was lying, stealing, poisoning, murdering people in their sleep, shoving them off roofs all while not paying taxes. Just as long as I avoid I think animal cruelty and necromancy I'm fine.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Originally posted by Mr while not paying taxes. [/quote:

Sir, now you've crossed the line!

[dolby]

Originally posted by The Private:

Had the same problem after freeing Halsin and deciding to kill all the goblins with him. First fight out of the pens, i kill a hostile goblin and bam, oath of devotion broken. Not much sense there.

it's just a bad system... full of bugs and holes. Even later down the line i had the same the first 2 fights were fine when goblin attacked but later at the the boss fight again got attacked by goblins without provacation and the oath breaks there for some reason even thoogh they attack due to the druid and turned hostile.

so i reloaded started the fight by attacking wiht rangers pet and i could kill everyone without problems... works everywhere and on all targets...

[dolby]

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Originally posted by Mosey:

Not sure if it makes a difference, but I was playing a paladin in a group of murder hobos and as long as I didn't make the first strike and as long as I kept non-lethal damage activated I kept my oath.

I'm sure there are special cases to be found, but it's worth mentioning.

I think that does count.

Swen made it clear in the Panel when he demonstrated breaking the oath that he wanted his paladin to initiate combat with the tieflings because it would be the paladin determining the events and not any of the other party members.

that makes no sense whatsoever lol...

non-lethal knockout got nothing to do with it. THat system is just for RP it has no effects on game events so far...and i reckon it never will.

You can litlarlly kill everyone if you know how to play around this bad system. You can murder everyone just fine even the weak and the innocent

Ow look this guy is attacking good people lets join in.... how is that fine when it comes to oath.

Or I guess if you don;t start the bar fight and just join in late and murder everyone in cold blood after just cos that's fine as well. Even if those guys were just tryign to have a good bar brawl.

i guess just stading there waching people getting murdered is fine as well... and on and on this system needs a redesign bad or just needs to be removed. It should be based on targets actions and not yours... We as players we only heve two actions available anyway kill or don't kill.

At this point it's looking like whole alot like npc reactiions system to pets. Good idea bad execution.