War cleric needs a fix

[EvilDonut]

Domain of war cleric needs to have a way to disable the automatic use of the war priest charges, otherwise they are pretty useless as you use them too quickly when multiclassing.

I am playing with a paladin 8/cleric 1/fighter 3 build and it works good, you can potentially deliver a lot of attacks in a single round, but the problem is after the first attack the war priest charge is automatically used, EVEN if you have a class that grants 2 attacks by itself, like paladin. What is happening is that you make the first paladin attack, then you use the charge, then you go with the second paladin attack. This sucks and needs to be addressed, because this build is potentially very strong, but not as it stands now.

[Moonbane]

Look in the reactions tab, should be there. They can be disabled, set automatically, or asking.

[EvilDonut]

Originally posted by Moonbane:

Look in the reactions tab, should be there. They can be disabled, set automatically, or asking.

Nope, cant disable it as it's not a reaction

[Nono]

I'm curious what's your score ability on your War cleric? STR/DEX + CON + WIS?

[Moonbane]

You could safely set dex to 10 for a priest with heavy armor, as they need the points more in strenght con and wis. Furthermore, you can buy gauntlets that sets your dex to 18 in the gith base.

But with heavy armor you gain no bonus to ac with higher dex, only saving throws and initiative.

[Nono]

Try Dex base War cleric (divinity charges ability and +radiant damage work on all attack rolls). Should be fine in backline buffing and 2x hand-crossbow .

[dolby]

Originally posted by Moonbane:

You could safely set dex to 10 for a priest with heavy armor, as they need the points more in strenght con and wis. Furthermore, you can buy gauntlets that sets your dex to 18 in the gith base.

But with heavy armor you gain no bonus to ac with higher dex, only saving throws and initiative.

in vanilla game that has 1d4 initiative roll dumping dex is kinda not that good:)

[❃ Galiäna Krüger ❃]

Originally posted by EvilDonut:

Domain of war cleric needs to have a way to disable the automatic use of the war priest charges, otherwise they are pretty useless as you use them too quickly when multiclassing.

I am playing with a paladin 8/cleric 1/fighter 3 build and it works good, you can potentially deliver a lot of attacks in a single round, but the problem is after the first attack the war priest charge is automatically used, EVEN if you have a class that grants 2 attacks by itself, like paladin. What is happening is that you make the first paladin attack, then you use the charge, then you go with the second paladin attack. This sucks and needs to be addressed, because this build is potentially very strong, but not as it stands now.

If you think this is a progression bug report directly to Larian.

[EvilDonut]

Originally posted by Nono:

I'm curious what's your score ability on your War cleric? STR/DEX + CON + WIS?

Low WIS because i don't care about casting as cleric, i only picked one level for the 3 charges of free attacks. So i wnt all in STR>CHA for the smites>CON

Also, the two feats should be Great weapons mastery (to get a free attack when you crit) and stat increase or Heavy Armor mastery for a +1 STR to get it to 18 and +1 CA. Of course, if you get the hair from Ethel, you won't need that +1 str so you can get a stat increase to get cha to 16 and con to 14.

The third level of fighter should be on the CHAMPION subclass for the improved critical ability, so that you have increased chance for extra attacks.

My starting abilities were:

STR 17
DEX 12
CON 13
WIS 10
INT 8
CHA 15

[dolby]

Originally posted by Nono:

Try Dex base War cleric (divinity charges ability and +radiant damage work on all attack rolls). Should be fine in backline buffing and 2x hand-crossbow .

using 2x hand-crossbow defeats the whole point of war cleric :)

[EvilDonut]

Originally posted by ❃ Galiäna Krüger ❃:

Originally posted by EvilDonut:

Domain of war cleric needs to have a way to disable the automatic use of the war priest charges, otherwise they are pretty useless as you use them too quickly when multiclassing.

I am playing with a paladin 8/cleric 1/fighter 3 build and it works good, you can potentially deliver a lot of attacks in a single round, but the problem is after the first attack the war priest charge is automatically used, EVEN if you have a class that grants 2 attacks by itself, like paladin. What is happening is that you make the first paladin attack, then you use the charge, then you go with the second paladin attack. This sucks and needs to be addressed, because this build is potentially very strong, but not as it stands now.

If you think this is a progression bug report directly to Larian.

Not a bug, just a design oversight, i think. The ability is made for a cleric and so it doesn't even consider you can have two attacks from your class before using it

[Ugbug]

Originally posted by Nono:

I'm curious what's your score ability on your War cleric? STR/DEX + CON + WIS?

Probably low wisdom. The war cleric level is just for the bonus action attack.

[Glyph]

War priest charges aren't automatic for me. It's a bonus action I have to intentionally choose. Maybe a really goofy multiclass interaction?

[dolby]

Originally posted by EvilDonut:

Originally posted by ❃ Galiäna Krüger ❃:

If you think this is a progression bug report directly to Larian.

Not a bug, just a design oversight, i think. The ability is made for a cleric and so it doesn't even consider you can have two attacks from your class before using it

for me it works fine most of the time but from time to time it's super weird

[EvilDonut]

Originally posted by Glyph:

War priest charges aren't automatic for me. It's a bonus action I have to intentionally choose. Maybe a really goofy multiclass interaction?

Nah, for me it was automatic even with a full cleric. The only way for it not to trigger was to just skip the turn before the second attack

[Broan]

Respec on Withers -
Start as paladin
level paladin to lvl 5 to get extra attack
add war domain cleric multiclass afterwards
add whatever you want after that

Now your extra attack comes always first and you can choose to do use the war priest charge after that.
Should be toggleable, but since it is not - thats the solution for now