Baldur's Gate 3

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( * ) Sep 16, 2023 @ 9:48pm
[RP Background] Tieflins come from Hell?
Hello,

-- Potential story spoilers ahead --

In the grove, the Tieflin smith says he worked in Hell.
Story wise, do all Tieflins come from hell?
I thought they were a race of humans who made deals with demons a long time ago, so their children are now born with horns and a red skin (?)

Also, where is "Hell" in D&D?
Is it located in an other dimension?
In the center of Earth?
On an other planet named "Hell"?

I'd really love to know what's what about all this.
Thanks :)
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Rabbit Sep 16, 2023 @ 9:58pm 
The group of tieflings that are refuges in the grove were from a city that got sucked into Hell for a while. That group were all stuck there for a while and then of course had nowhere to live when they got out which is why they're traveling.
MakeshiftRiot Sep 16, 2023 @ 10:02pm 
He comes from Elturel. Which was sucked in to Avernus (the hells) and put to work in the Blood War.

"Tieflings are created in one of three ways: as a human transformed into a tiefling using powerful magic; as the offspring of an existing tiefling; or as the offspring of a human and a cambion or half-fiend."

So really anywhere.

Annnnd in the opening we are in Avernus. It's another plane like the Astral. The game is primarily on the material plane.
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Veraducks Sep 16, 2023 @ 10:03pm 
Tieflings in Faerun are demon- or devil-blooded people that are less than half-blooded (half-blooded would be a Cambion). They do not all come from Hell, but they often get dragged or forced there due to discrimination.

Note that D&D is a lot more than Faerun, though 5e does a lot of assuming otherwise.

Hell in Faerun is essentially another dimension, similar to the Astral Plane. There're a ton of aligned and elemental planes. Hell is Lawful Evil and the home of Devils whereas The Abyss is Chaotic Evil and the home of Demons.

There are a few static portals in parts of the world that lead to other planes, as well as spells for moving between them.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Great_Wheel_cosmology
( * ) Sep 16, 2023 @ 10:08pm 
Thanks :)
Bob Sep 16, 2023 @ 11:12pm 
from the hell's , remember this is not a christian wold , muti different gods.
Originally posted by ( * ):
Hello,

-- Potential story spoilers ahead --

In the grove, the Tieflin smith says he worked in Hell.
Story wise, do all Tieflins come from hell?
I thought they were a race of humans who made deals with demons a long time ago, so their children are now born with horns and a red skin (?)

Also, where is "Hell" in D&D?
Is it located in an other dimension?
In the center of Earth?
On an other planet named "Hell"?

I'd really love to know what's what about all this.
Thanks :)

Here's my piece of understanding based SOLELY from lore, text, readable, books found in Baldur's Gate 3...

Baldur's Gate 3 is set after the event of [The Second Sundering] - similar to Witcher's multi-plane clashing one another and wrecking havoc throughout the material plane. And the story starts at least a decade after the sinking of [Eltruel, City of Innovations] straight into Baator - also known as the Nine Hells.

The Tieflings ARE NOT originated from the Hell. They are natives of Eltruel and surrounding area - happened to housed the majority Tieflings across Faerun.

The sinking of Eltruel into the Baator led to the survivors enslaved by devils and other demonspawns alike. Due to Tieflings natural resistance to fire, endurance and other perks, they stood out among other races and lasted "longest" in Baator while others such as Human, Halflings, Elves, Gnomes, and Dwarfs survivors simply died out.

The introduction of Tieflings into Baator makes them ideal slaves, while most stayed in the first layer of hells - some delves deeper and explores the unknown which became their new home.

Baator, the Nine Hells is its own very plane and one of many planes set in the lore of D&D - aside from the Material Plane (Faerun the continent for example), Astral Plane, and Abstract/Conjuration Plane(Elementals).
The Former Sep 17, 2023 @ 12:19am 
Originally posted by darrenmalin:
from the hell's , remember this is not a christian wold , muti different gods.

If Christians were true to their Scriptures, they wouldn't even believe in one hell, to be honest. But yes, it's "hells" in D&D lore, and Elturel got pulled into one of them (Avernus). That'll be where our smith is talking about.

Tieflings are just the descendants of someone who made a pact with a devil and wound up with devil blood in their bloodline as a result.
Last edited by The Former; Sep 17, 2023 @ 12:26am
アンジェル Sep 17, 2023 @ 12:23am 
Originally posted by ( * ):
Tieflins come from Hell?
Hello,

-- Potential story spoilers ahead --

In the grove, the Tieflin smith says he worked in Hell.
Story wise, do all Tieflins come from hell?
I thought they were a race of humans who made deals with demons a long time ago, so their children are now born with horns and a red skin (?)

Also, where is "Hell" in D&D?
Is it located in an other dimension?
In the center of Earth?
On an other planet named "Hell"?

I'd really love to know what's what about all this.
Thanks :)

I recommend to try out the comic D&D Infernal Tides. It is a great hook for the story lore even without knowing the adventure Descent into Avernus.
Ranpo Sep 20, 2023 @ 10:26pm 
Tieflings are planetouched humans, basically a hybrid of something from another plane and humans. You can say Wyll is a tiefling.
Nilserrich Sep 20, 2023 @ 11:35pm 
Tieflings were born when mortals in a family tree or community had much contact with devils or hell. Mostly contracts. However, this happened very rarely. At some point they could reproduce themselves. The skin colors can indicate which archdevil they are associated with. Sometimes this includes character traits or abilities, but it is generally not the rule. It should be noted that you will rarely meet a Tiefling. However, there are one or the other concentration zones. Despite their appearance, they have surprisingly little to do with the Nine Hells in the end. This could also be due to the fact that the archdevils have tried to exert influence over them and have rather scared them away. As the prehistory of the refugees shows quite well. This story of Elturel and the Blood War is, by the way, an official PnP campaign of WotC.

The cosmology of D&D is much about different dimensions or planes, as they are called. Magic the Gathering also provides a lot of explanations, if you know it. All connected by the Astral Plane and glued together, so to speak. The Material Plane is the world in which most of the game takes place (it's actually also a multiverse in itself, but that's not so important here). Then there are the Elemental Planes, from which the wizards draw the energy and, for example, the fire itself for their spells.

The Nine Hells belong to the so-called Outer Planes. There are sixteen of them. These are then partly divided again, as the name of the Nine Hells already suggests. These levels are more or less difficult to reach for mortals and there live mystical beings, such as angels and devils, as well as the gods and build their HQ there. The mystical beings often help the gods or are enslaved by them. Or were banished there (depending on the properties of the levels) or (depending on the deity) hide there. So there is also the Limbo. There all souls of the dead are brought to wait for their judgment by Kelemvor and to be taken by a representative of his faith (or not, depending on how Kelemvor judges). As long as a soul is there, it can be brought back more easily or questioned with "Speak with the Dead". At a later time it is theoretically possible, but rather unlikely.

I hope this and some additional information will clarify your questions. If you want to go deep into the Lore, I recommend the Forgotten Realms Wiki. Watch out for spoilers though, the events of BG3 are slowly being added to this.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page

Edit: Ohh, i used the Great Wheel Cosmology here. Of course, there are also different explanations, but all of them have a certain right to exist. But the Great Wheel Cosmology is considered to be the most accurate.
Last edited by Nilserrich; Sep 20, 2023 @ 11:45pm
Callirgos Sep 20, 2023 @ 11:39pm 
Originally posted by darrenmalin:
from the hell's , remember this is not a christian wold , muti different gods.

Illmater....
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