Question to those unhappy with romance/sex

[Adam__86]

So we all have seen people complain about romance and sex in BG3, with some legitimate issues but most are unreasonable. However a common sentence appears throughout "I don't want sex/romance in my video game!"

So my question is; If you don't like sex or romance in your games (i'll add same sex relationships too), then why did you buy a game that made no secret such things will be in it (esp throughout EA) to begin with?

[WildOrchid]

Publicado originalmente por Zero McDol:

- LGBTQ+ Content is not in the tags.

By the same logic, there should be games that say 'Straight Content'. C'mon. Also the game literally has 'sexual content' warning. Like that shiny 18 warning you see on the main page of the game? And with big letters next to it that say 'Sex, bad language, violence'

[Orion Invictus]

Publicado originalmente por FaceMcGee:

Publicado originalmente por Adam__86:

But nudity causes issues? This is why we shipped the puritans to the new world

Orcs ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, sexual advances, and people ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bears. A bit more than "nudity".. yeah. I'm such a puritan.

One orc having sex with one Bugbear played for laughs.
Sexual advances, yes. Lae'zel in particular is very... aggressive about it.
The player character (not "people") ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ a Druid shapeshifted into a bear (not a real bear) if and only if the player romances said Druid and agrees to it.

Other things you've conveniently ignored that I wouldn't want kids to see (and I imagine most people wouldn't):
- People dissolving into puddles of gore (one of them in great detail).
- Forcing characters to commit suicide in various gruesome methods (all visible in cutscenes).
- Forcing a character to eat itself to death.
- Kicking a small animal so hard it gets crushed upon impact and dies.

Just off the top of my head.

[Adam__86]

Publicado originalmente por FaceMcGee:

Publicado originalmente por Adam__86:

But nudity causes issues? This is why we shipped the puritans to the new world

Orcs ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, sexual advances, and people ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bears. A bit more than "nudity".. yeah. I'm such a puritan.

You are missing the point either internationally or unintentionally

[Professor Hugedix]

Publicado originalmente por Adam__86:

I said some have legitimate concerns but most don't

Yet you cannot demonstrate that their concerns are illegitimate. Would you care to answer my question, or am I not allowed to play since I didn't blindly guffaw general agreement to the thinly veiled sentiment of your thread like the first few responders did?

[Adam__86]

Publicado originalmente por Professor Hugedix:

Publicado originalmente por Adam__86:

I said some have legitimate concerns but most don't

Yet you cannot demonstrate that their concerns are illegitimate. Would you care to answer my question, or am I not allowed to play since I didn't blindly guffaw general agreement to the thinly veiled sentiment of your thread like the first few responders did?

I'm not listing every ridiculous argument

You know exactly what type of critique I deem illegitimate, everyone here knows so let's not play the 'pretend we don't know' game

[FaceMcGee]

Publicado originalmente por Orion Invictus:

Publicado originalmente por FaceMcGee:

Orcs ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, sexual advances, and people ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bears. A bit more than "nudity".. yeah. I'm such a puritan.

One orc having sex with one Bugbear played for laughs.
Sexual advances, yes. Lae'zel in particular is very... aggressive about it.
The player character (not "people") ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ a Druid shapeshifted into a bear (not a real bear) if and only if the player romances said Druid and agrees to it.

Other things you've conveniently ignored that I wouldn't want my kids to see:
- People dissolving into puddles of gore (one of them in great detail).
- Forcing characters to commit suicide in various gruesome methods (all visible in cutscenes).
- Forcing a character to eat itself to death.
- Kicking a small animal so hard it gets crushed upon impact and dies.

Just off the top of my head.

So all the things I listed happen. I stopped playing with them after the first hour or so, so I never saw the other things you mentioned. Context is important, I agree.

Curious though, "One Bugbear"... like the line is at multiple? Or just attempting to downplay that it actually occurred (without warning originally)?

[Strandly]

Publicado originalmente por Adam__86:

...then why did you buy a game that made no secret such things will be in it (esp throughout EA) to begin with?

Uhm, I didn't know this crap would be in the game. Sorry to burst your assumption bubble here but I don't follow games like some thirsty fanboys do.

[Orion Invictus]

Publicado originalmente por FaceMcGee:

Publicado originalmente por Orion Invictus:

One orc having sex with one Bugbear played for laughs.
Sexual advances, yes. Lae'zel in particular is very... aggressive about it.
The player character (not "people") ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ a Druid shapeshifted into a bear (not a real bear) if and only if the player romances said Druid and agrees to it.

Other things you've conveniently ignored that I wouldn't want my kids to see:
- People dissolving into puddles of gore (one of them in great detail).
- Forcing characters to commit suicide in various gruesome methods (all visible in cutscenes).
- Forcing a character to eat itself to death.
- Kicking a small animal so hard it gets crushed upon impact and dies.

Just off the top of my head.

So all the things I listed happen. I stopped playing with them after the first hour or so, so I never saw the other things you mentioned. Context is important, I agree.

Curious though, "One Bugbear"... like the line is at multiple? Or just attempting to downplay that it actually occurred (without warning originally)?

The line isn't at multiple, but when you say "orcs ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥", that's inaccurate. It's one orc and one bugbear, and it's played for laughs.

If by "originally" you mean "during early access", I can't comment. However, when I encountered the scene there was moaning, the narrator said something that an adult would understand means "people are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in there", and my companions said not to open the door. The bugbear inside also said to go away. There's plenty of warning, at least right now.

[Professor Hugedix]

Publicado originalmente por Adam__86:

Publicado originalmente por Professor Hugedix:

Yet you cannot demonstrate that their concerns are illegitimate. Would you care to answer my question, or am I not allowed to play since I didn't blindly guffaw general agreement to the thinly veiled sentiment of your thread like the first few responders did?

I'm not listing every ridiculous argument

You know exactly what type of critique I deem illegitimate, everyone here knows so let's not play the 'pretend we don't know' game

That you can't list a single one that would hold up to the scrutiny of your claim that they're the vast majority rather than cherrypicked outliers is good enough. Still don't care to answer my question though, it seems. Odd, given that it should be a very simple answer if your arguments are themselves legitimate.

[Orion Invictus]

Publicado originalmente por Strandly:

Publicado originalmente por Adam__86:

...then why did you buy a game that made no secret such things will be in it (esp throughout EA) to begin with?

Uhm, I didn't know this crap would be in the game. Sorry to burst your assumption bubble here but I don't follow games like some thirsty fanboys do.

So you just bought a game without doing research into potential deal-breakers?

[Andi]

a lot of games today have the sexual content tag. most of the role playing games on steam if there's even a tiny bit of nudity in it you'd see that tag. bg3 sells itself as a CRPG not a hentai dating sim game

[FaceMcGee]

Publicado originalmente por Orion Invictus:

Publicado originalmente por FaceMcGee:

So all the things I listed happen. I stopped playing with them after the first hour or so, so I never saw the other things you mentioned. Context is important, I agree.

Curious though, "One Bugbear"... like the line is at multiple? Or just attempting to downplay that it actually occurred (without warning originally)?

The line isn't at multiple, but when you say "orcs ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥", that's inaccurate. It's one orc and one bugbear, and it's played for laughs.

If by "originally" you mean "during early access", I can't comment. However, when I encountered the scene there was moaning, the narrator said something that an adult would understand means "people are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in there", and my companions said not to open the door. The bugbear inside also said to go away. There's plenty of warning, at least right now.

Ah, pedantry then, gotcha. I found it comical is all.

[Andi]

also, there's nothing wrong with having sexual content in your game. its just that people don't want their companion interactions to be overshadowed by it

[Orion Invictus]

Publicado originalmente por FaceMcGee:

Publicado originalmente por Orion Invictus:

The line isn't at multiple, but when you say "orcs ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥", that's inaccurate. It's one orc and one bugbear, and it's played for laughs.

If by "originally" you mean "during early access", I can't comment. However, when I encountered the scene there was moaning, the narrator said something that an adult would understand means "people are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in there", and my companions said not to open the door. The bugbear inside also said to go away. There's plenty of warning, at least right now.

Ah, pedantry then, gotcha. I found it comical is all.

Not pedantry. "Orcs ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" has a MUCH different connotation than "one orc and one bugbear ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥", just like "people ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bears" has a much different connotation than the truth.

[FaceMcGee]

Publicado originalmente por Orion Invictus:

Publicado originalmente por FaceMcGee:

Ah, pedantry then, gotcha. I found it comical is all.

Not pedantry. "Orcs ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" has a MUCH different connotation than "one orc and one bugbear ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥", just like "people ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bears" has a much different connotation than the truth.

The connotation of both that you seem to approve of is "beastiality is funny and appropriate".