i suprised so little ppl play as pure evil

[CL]

today i became the baal assassins and i get this achievement, suprisingly only like 6/7 percent ppl get this. so not so many ppl play this game as evil huh? maybe add battlepass

[Estevan Valladares]

There is no pure evil in this game, that is why.
You can play as Chaotic Neutral at best. Being a dumb character slicing everyone for no reason is not being evil.

Then there is a second problem: This game is not well structured. The "beaten path" is being Lawful Neutral, and everything you do that deviates from that line at some point gets the story inconsistent. You will be said to have done, seen or knowing things you dont, you will have people mentioning parts of the story you did not participate, and people will know will with no reason to.

To know how basic crap it is, there is a free software called twine you can structure your story and export as JSON to include in projects using engines like Unreal or Unity, or even to use in a freaking HTML5 page, and Larian doesnt even have had that worry about this game.

Someone mentioned being a "redeemed Dark Urge", the worse path one can get, because on top of the story crumbling when you are evil oriented character, the very own story does not make sense dancing around the regular crazy Dark Urge and some specifics about not having taken action. Nothing that changes the overall story.

So to take those paths, either you need to oblivious of how stupid the writing is, or just want a edgy take to talk about, with little to no "interesting" actual gameplay.

[Dork_Stalker_310]

I almost never play as an evil character, even when evil is a bit more justifiable than usual. Hell, I couldn't even bring myself to beat KotOR II on Dark Side, I've relapsed back into the Light Side almost immediately after the first planet - and that game proposes that route as a valid alternative to the "vanilla" Light Side. Couldn't be mean to people as Renegade in Mass Effect trilogy, never even tried to be a douchebag in Dragon Age and so on.

So, if I didn't manage to commit to being evil even in these games, how do you expect me to do it here, where most evil choices are "kill, kill, murder for no good reason"? It's not fun for me to harass someone defenseless civilians, when evil-doers' screams are much more easy on the ears.

[♂Warrior of Gachi♂]

Well maybe if playing evil didn't cut you off from 30% of content in the game and half your companions more people would play that way. That's just my view.

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

I really hope the long development time of patch7 means they are going over the whole game and improve on the whole evil path and not "just" the ending itself....not that I wouldn't enjoy "just" the endings, but the evil path really could use some love...
Though that's not something only BG3/Larian struggles with...there's plenty of games who struggled in the past including a good evil path through the game...

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originally posted by Dork_Stalker_310:

Couldn't be mean to people as Renegade in Mass Effect trilogy,

Man it's so much fun punching Khalisa al-Jilani in the face, or shooting conrad verner in the foot :P

[Dork_Stalker_310]

Originally posted by 1337_h4x0r_xXx_deathlord666_xXx:

Originally posted by Dork_Stalker_310:

Couldn't be mean to people as Renegade in Mass Effect trilogy,

Man it's so much fun punching Khalisa al-Jilani in the face, or shooting conrad verner in the foot :P

To be fair, exposing her as a clueless tool is also pretty fun.
Speaking of Renegade options, the interrupts in Mass Effect 2 are very hard to resist sometimes. And they have an effect on gameplay too.

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originally posted by Dork_Stalker_310:

Originally posted by 1337_h4x0r_xXx_deathlord666_xXx:

Man it's so much fun punching Khalisa al-Jilani in the face, or shooting conrad verner in the foot :P

To be fair, exposing her as a clueless tool is also pretty fun.
Speaking of Renegade options, the interrupts in Mass Effect 2 are very hard to resist sometimes. And they have an effect on gameplay too.

I'm not denying that. That's something ME in general did pretty well, except the original ending of me3...no matter your decisions, they felt impactfull and rewarding most of the time throughout all 3 of the main 3 games. Well, at least as far as they could go, without making a dozen games to cover all possible permutations. ^^

[Dork_Stalker_310]

Originally posted by 1337_h4x0r_xXx_deathlord666_xXx:

Originally posted by Dork_Stalker_310:

To be fair, exposing her as a clueless tool is also pretty fun.
Speaking of Renegade options, the interrupts in Mass Effect 2 are very hard to resist sometimes. And they have an effect on gameplay too.

I'm not denying that. That's something ME in general did pretty well, except the original ending of me3...no matter your decisions, they felt impactfull and rewarding most of the time throughout all 3 of the main 3 games. Well, at least as far as they could go, without making a dozen games to cover all possible permutations. ^^

Oh, absolutely. I think if Mass Effect 3 had an additional year of development + some re-writes in regards to Cerberus and endings, it would've been at the very least one of the best finalies to the video game series in history.

[Fluffykeith]

The problem with evil on these games is generally that the story is always geared towards the Heroes Journey, so even when evil options are implemented, they come across as “Chaotic Stupid”….doing the bad thing because it’s bad, not because it makes sense to do. It often boils down to just being a murderous A hole for no reason. At least in this game the Dark Urge has something driving the random murder.

Tbh honest though, I’m playing a resistant Durge atm and it’s turning out to be lots of fun and I’m impressed that the game is allowing it and making those choices have consequences.

I wish it would let me take out the violence urges on that butler tho…

[Tresh]

I don't even play as pure evil and I got that achievement xD My drow might have changed for the better with Karlach and Wyll around, but Orin took her friend and she cares a lot more about his safety than about some celestial being's.
It surprised me as well how few people went that route.

[Vox Maximus]

Not many people playing evil because not many people like playing evil. Surprise-surprise...

[Chadwick Strongpants]

I played an evil character for my first playthrough and while I did finish it, I ended up feeling utterly dirty and disgusted at myself. Especially regarding the druid and certain act 2 choices.

So yeah, can't say I blame whoever does not want to do that.

[MystShade]

But also the achievement requires you to actually take over the world,
I've done quite a few durge runs , first i didn't know what to expect and my healer durge lost baal's favor. then i turned iliitid and that doesn't count for achievement. then i blew up gale c aus i was honor mode.... 4th time's the charm i hope ...

[BionicDance]

Originally posted by ♂PUDGUS♂:

Well maybe if playing evil didn't cut you off from 30% of content in the game and half your companions more people would play that way. That's just my view.

Agreed!

I read up on evil runs before starting one, and I'm like, "You don't get to keep Karlach around??? What's the point?"

Being evil sounds like fun at first...but...

Actually, maybe I'm weird, but I have a difficult time going against my real-world conscience.
I mean, it's easier in a game like GTA, but with so many named characters in this game, the cost is more visceral...and I have a hard time with it.

[MystShade]

Originally posted by BionicDance:

I read up on evil runs before starting one, and I'm like, "You don't get to keep Karlach around??? What's the point?"

even though it was true at launch, i've had several runs recently with all my companion staying with me the whole game, and i got the hot date achievement even though i sent wyll and misora to their demise and killed isobel, heck i even took gortash's deal. . As long as you are honest with her in regard to your heritage, she will go to avernus and back for you.