Medium Armor Master (DD5 feat)

[larhtas]

So I try my best to be a min-max player as I can but I don't always pick the best build.
There is the armor master feat, which is not in BG3 but in DD5 and it does that:

Source: Player's Handbook
Prerequisite: Proficiency with medium armor
You have practiced moving in medium armor to gain the following benefits:
Wearing medium armor doesn't impose disadvantage on your Dexterity (Stealth) checks.
When you wear medium armor, you can add 3, rather than 2, to your AC if you have a Dexterity of 16 or higher.

Some of my characters builds are using this feat but I am not sure it's so good. The thing is it's not in BG3 and I don't know if it's never gonna be or if it's coming in the futur but maybe it's not there because it's not good at all.
What do you think?

[SnarkOne]

It's situationally +1 AC and ignoring disadvantage on stealth. If you have a dude with medium armor, you're probably not using him to do stealth stuff. So it's just +1 AC, IF you have the dex.
Which is an odd build by itself, because you're rarely going to have medium armor AND a dex based character AND a focus on stealth maneuverability.

Idk what your priorities or playstyle is, but I would rather go the ASI route & get an overall bonus for a stat of offense.

[Yojo0o]

It's incredibly narrow in 5e, bordering on being among the least useful feats.

It's +1 AC if you're A) at 16 dex and B) using medium armor, which is pretty narrow. It's potentially +2 AC if you're additionally C) using a breastplate instead of half-plate to avoid stealth disadvantage.

[larhtas]

Originally posted by SnarkOne:

It's situationally +1 AC and ignoring disadvantage on stealth. If you have a dude with medium armor, you're probably not using him to do stealth stuff. So it's just +1 AC, IF you have the dex.
Which is an odd build by itself, because you're rarely going to have medium armor AND a dex based character AND a focus on stealth maneuverability.

Idk what your priorities or playstyle is, but I would rather go the ASI route & get an overall bonus for a stat of offense.

Yes I was thinking of an Eldritch knight high elf but with more investment in intelligence than dexterity. So maybe human with heavy armor is better for this.

[larhtas]

Originally posted by Yojo0o:

It's incredibly narrow in 5e, bordering on being among the least useful feats.

It's +1 AC if you're A) at 16 dex and B) using medium armor, which is pretty narrow. It's potentially +2 AC if you're additionally C) using a breastplate instead of half-plate to avoid stealth disadvantage.

So that might be the reason why that has not been implemented. I wanted to try to send the suggestion on Larian's side but you both convinced me.
Thanks guys.

[Indure]

I don't think medium armor master is worth it. If level cap is around 12 then feats/ASI are going to be huge since you really only get 2 until the very end.

+1AC and avoiding disadvantage on stealth is pretty weak. Vision cones in this game already negate a huge need for stealth in general and the feat has to compete against an ASI which if we look at dexterity, +2 dexterity, is better saves, better stealth, better chance to hit and keep in mind max dex in light armor is the same AC as medium armor.

Also you can travel with Shadowheart and she has free advantage on stealth to a party member which would negate medium armor penalties.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Ignore the naysayers, it's a wonderful feat (hope they add all the feats from the PHB).

It allows your Rogues and Bards to go medium armor and not sacrifice any stealth whatsoever. It also makes half-plate (with Dex) equal to full plate.

This is awesome on Rogues, Bards and Warlocks who take Medium Armor Proficiency.

[RealDealBreaker]

Originally posted by Pan Darius Kairos:

Ignore the naysayers, it's a wonderful feat (hope they add all the feats from the PHB).

It allows your Rogues and Bards to go medium armor and not sacrifice any stealth whatsoever. It also makes half-plate (with Dex) equal to full plate.

This is awesome on Rogues, Bards and Warlocks who take Medium Armor Proficiency.

No, medium armor master does not grant proficiency with medium armor and in fact medium armor master requires a character have proficiency in medium armor in order to select it. So a bard or rogue could not use it without an additional feat investment which is NOT worth it at all. I suspect you are thinking of the feat "moderately armored" which grants proficiency in medium armor and increase your STR or DEX by 1.

[Yojo0o]

Originally posted by Pan Darius Kairos:

Ignore the naysayers, it's a wonderful feat (hope they add all the feats from the PHB).

It allows your Rogues and Bards to go medium armor and not sacrifice any stealth whatsoever. It also makes half-plate (with Dex) equal to full plate.

This is awesome on Rogues, Bards and Warlocks who take Medium Armor Proficiency.

Okay, but quantify that benefit for us.

Rogues, Bards, and Warlocks don't get medium armor proficiency as a class feature. Medium Armor Mastery doesn't actually give the proficiency. That means that, barring subclasses like Valor/Swords/Hexblade, these classes need to take a separate feat, Moderately Armored (which is actually very good with the right stats) to even consider this feat as an option.

And then it provides what, exactly? +1 AC, +2 if you care about stealth, assuming you have enough dexterity to actually benefit from it? The average non-combat warlock or bard isn't going to bother pushing to 16 dexterity at the cost of developing their charisma, which they also can't do if they're spending 1-2 feats just to get good medium armor. A rogue need to spend two feats to do this, and they could have just as easily pushed their dexterity to 20, which combined with Studded Leather is as good as Half-Plate in terms of AC while also scaling their finesse/ranged attacks, saves, and initiative.

[mayrc]

Min-Max player...... DND 5e...... well...

[larhtas]

Originally posted by Pan Darius Kairos:

Ignore the naysayers, it's a wonderful feat (hope they add all the feats from the PHB).

It allows your Rogues and Bards to go medium armor and not sacrifice any stealth whatsoever. It also makes half-plate (with Dex) equal to full plate.

This is awesome on Rogues, Bards and Warlocks who take Medium Armor Proficiency.

I understand your point of view. Especially about the fact that it could be great to bring all the PHB feats. Even if it's not a popular one. I see it great with warlock or bard indeed. But the character "must" have 16 in dexterity or the feat is wasted.

[larhtas]

So I have posted it in their forum.