Warrior class

[Edstyles]

Just me or is the warrior class kinda meh. I dont really mind I was never a fan of the warrior class in the 1st place and a good reason to get rid of Laezel. I was tho looking at eldricht knight and it sounds even more awful than a regular warrior cause your damage is cut in half for the sake of utility and spells , but a ranger allready has that without having to cut his damage in half. :D Im I missing something or is the elricht knight plain awful?

[Corridian]

Battlemaster or don't bother.

[Hobocop]

Eldritch Knight is kinda eh. You're mainly going to be looking for utility spells that make you better at fighting, and without the Blade cantrips or Shield at the moment, it's not very exciting.

[larhtas]

Originally posted by Edstyles:

Just me or is the warrior class kinda meh. I dont really mind I was never a fan of the warrior class in the 1st place and a good reason to get rid of Laezel. I was tho looking at eldricht knight and it sounds even more awful than a regular warrior cause your damage is cut in half for the sake of utility and spells , but a ranger allready has that without having to cut his damage in half. :D Im I missing something or is the elricht knight plain awful?

Yes this is the feeling I've got in DD5 too. The first ability (second wind) is great but it's limited here with only 2 short rests.

[Edstyles]

I see . So its not only me then. Good to know :D

[everybe2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiTXARYn6Qk

[Ronin Gamer]

Nah fighter is great. Some classes being solid bases but not much flashiness to them till you get to subclass selection is perfectly fine to have a few solid bases to take into battle. Fighters are great tanks usually able to take hits better than most other classes or dodge them do to higher ac armor. Add to that you can have them one hand and shield to increase this, or two hand weapon fighter to slam some good serious damage onto single enemy targets.

Add in their subclasses and the extra bells and whistles those give you and you've got a good class for what it's purpose is. If you hate the perception of simplicity of the fighter, then don't ever try barbarian.

Also, a spell fighter or spell rogue doesn't really take spells for raw damage output. trying to balance stats to allow for that can be hard to do unless you are using specific equipment. The spells you take are utility and things that allow you to gain an advantage that doesn't deal with damage. misty step on a fighter can be devastating for the enemies.

[Yojo0o]

Where is damage getting cut in half?

[Hobocop]

Originally posted by Yojo0o:

Where is damage getting cut in half?

Not having maneuvers and Superiority Dice, I guess. Battlemasters are so frontloaded compared to the slow burn of EK spell progression that it's not surprising that it doesn't feel all that satisfying at the moment.

[everybe2]

Keep in mind that we only access to 4 levels....

[Edstyles]

In that video he says E.knight has the potential for S tier. Honestly i dont think this is the case and it sounds abit biased. I dont think the class can jump from being d tier to s tier with some spells.

Thing is the whole point of martial classes is to keep their own and somewhat carry the party through low levels but the E. knight gives up its early and mid level advantage for some potentially good spells . Which just doesnt sound like a good tradeoff.

I believe the arcane trickster does this much better as the tradeoff isnt as drastic and the spells can actually be good. The advantage of rogue is it keeps its sneak attack damage even as arcane trickster which scales so well even into later game. While the warrior has no such thing, without its superiority die its just plain bad.

[everybe2]

Originally posted by Edstyles:

In that video he says E.knight has the potential for S tier. Honestly i dont think this is the case and it sounds abit biased. I dont think the class can jump from being d tier to s tier with some spells.

Thing is the whole point of martial classes is to keep their own and somewhat carry the party through low levels but the E. knight gives up its early and mid level advantage for some potentially good spells eventually. Which just doesnt sound like a good tradeoff.

S tier - hard to master.

[brendan_in_china]

I've played a finesse EK using Dex and Int. It takes some thought to play well.

There are times to use cantrips over full attacks, depending on the foe you're fighting. With well selected cantrips you can often target weak defences.

I've had fun with Burning hands, Expeditious retreat, Blur, Mirror image and Shield.

If you have high AC, Blur becomes a really powerful buff. And Mirror image doesn't require concentration.

[Edstyles]

Originally posted by brendan_in_china:

If you have high AC, Blur becomes a really powerful buff. And Mirror image doesn't require concentration.

Lv 2 spells dont come online until lv 7 at which point you have done half the game allready and other classes can learn these spells so its nothing unique to them even Shadowheart can use mirror image at level 3?

[brendan_in_china]

True, I was thinking my 11th level character is a tabletop game.

That said, spells take on different meaning to different classes. SH will use Mirror image, but she'll use it to bolster 2nd line defence. She's probably concentrating on some key spell, and doesn't want to be hit.

A fighter with Mirror image is a different story, because they're front-lining - they actually want monsters to waste attacks on their high HPs and good AC.

A monster wanting to win faces a problem with high defence/average attack front-liners, waste attacks or eat OA to get at the middle-to-rear ranks. Smart thing probably is do just that. A well-positioned high AC front-liner can often increase their DPR by enticing these OA.

Back to BG3, there are quite a few scrolls available. If Larian implements 5E casting limitations, only the EK fighter will be casting these spells.

[RhodosGuard]

Most classes dont even get their subclass features in EA, because you are locked to lvl 4.
Of course some classes look like ass when you dont get any of their actually useful stuff.

WL already get invocations at 2.
Rangers get their subclass and, let's be honest, get Colossus and Hunters Mark.
Battlemasters already get Maneuvers.
The only classes that feel equally shafted are Sorcerer, where the only redeeming factor is natural armor as Draconic, or Wizards, but even Wizards get "Haha free Spellslot refill go brrrrr"

I am not 100% familiar with EK, but I assume they get proper features that work with their spells at 5 or higher.