is Wyll the most boring generic DEI character in video game history

[moace]

His story is so boring. His personality and character are are just dull and uninspired. I get the gay dev that wrote his dialog was strung out on weed and doing laundry.

[Paksarra]

Imagine being this butthurt because the devs assigned one out of your ten recruitable NPCs a dark skin tone.

[Elrodeus]

I mean, to be honest I liked Wyll because he's simply the only character out of all of the characters available that is outwardly and vocally good natured.

Characters like Shadowheart and Gale become more good natured if your character is good natured, but Wyll is just that way whether you are or not. He's arguably a typical "white knight" that has made really terrible decisions but does so with a good heart and that makes him stand out as a staunch defender of doing what's right in a cast of characters that typically couldn't care less.

[Metallicus]

Originally posted by Elrodeus:

I mean, to be honest I liked Wyll because he's simply the only character out of all of the characters available that is outwardly and vocally good natured.

Characters like Shadowheart and Gale become more good natured if your character is good natured, but Wyll is just that way whether you are or not. He's arguably a typical "white knight" that has made really terrible decisions but does so with a good heart and that makes him stand out as a staunch defender of doing what's right in a cast of characters that typically couldn't care less.

I agree. Wyll is the nicest and most ‘good’ of the companion characters. I rarely use him simply because I don’t like Warlocks. The only time I use his character is when I respec him into a Paladin which honestly feels like a more natural fit for his personality.

[Elrodeus]

Originally posted by Metallicus:

I agree. Wyll is the nicest and most ‘good’ of the companion characters. I rarely use him simply because I don’t like Warlocks. The only time I use his character is when I respec him into a Paladin which honestly feels like a more natural fit for his personality.

And you're right, a Paladin WOULD be a more natural fit for his personality, which I think is the reason why they wrote such a story in which it places him in a situation that is conflicting with his good nature.

I think overall it worked well. I've only played through Baldur's Gate 3 once, but my main crew that I spent 90% of the game with was Gale, Wyll, and Shadowheart. Wyll's conflicts with the devil he had the pact with made for some really tense situations/decisions that happen in the game though and ultimately I felt like his character wouldn't be the same if he hadn't made the unfortunate pact he did to get the shortcut to the power he was seeking.

[Metrod125]

Wyll makes a perfect Devotion Paladin. Just a bad deal with devils at the wrong place at the wrong time.

[seeker1]

Originally posted by brendan_in_china:

As for DEI, he's dark skinned, gay and victimized. Surely that deserves inclusion?

Not gay. And yes, exploited and taken advantage of by a devil named Mizora, but I would say he's risen above what she's done to him, so he's more than just her victim. He's the Blade of Frontiers because he devotes himself to helping others. He's the male hero everybody says they are looking for in this game.

As for him being a Warlock - well he is the exact example that I would give for a 5E Warlock that serves an evil devil patron despite being good himself - because he was tricked/forced into making a contract with her.

[XGear]

No character in this game is charismatic or endearing!
Everything seems designed just for the player to have a love simulation experience in a fantasy world created as a gay world.
Ok ok, it's important to portray gay romance for gay players, but did it need to be that much? To the point where all the characters in the group become unbearable to the point of flirting with our protagonist all the time?
Those who are not gay feel frustrated and unmotivated about having these companions in the group just to have some time in peace in the journey.
Astarion, Gale and Wyll are the worst, always looking for sex. This is very frustrating in BG3. This game feels more like a gay porn game than a Dungeons and Dragons experience.

[PlagueBrain]

Originally posted by mopace:

His story is so boring. His personality and character are are just dull and uninspired. I get the gay dev that wrote his dialog was strung out on weed and doing laundry.

Wyll's storyline got hamstrung to (presumably) make him more "heroic," from Early Access. For the real answer.

Some of it is still here - but a lot of it is missing, and his writing was softened. And partially, it seems to give the feeling of:

The traditionally masculine guy who goes around rescuing damsels in distress. Gale can't quiet play that role because he's too...Gale. Asterion is a femboy vampire. That leaves Wyll.

Wyll's character in EA was a much more interesting character - and there's artifacts of that still in the game, but they're either buried deep or they're glossed over. It's still pretty clear that his story was meant to be darker - There's still some evidence in game that his whole origin story was a work by Miz just to steal the golden boy's soul , and there's his early appearance playing at being the in-universe "superhero," the Blade of Frontiers - something he was written to be more arrogant about in EA, which defined his character arc better and made his transformation into Demon Wyll hit harder, because now - he looks like he was on the inside - a spoiled little rich boy who sold his soul to prove something to daddy, no matter the cost .

Because of that very drastic difference from EA to full release - yeah, the dialogue doesn't read well. A lot had to be changed about him, but changing too much - they'd have to overhaul everything already in there that touches Wyll. So a lot falls flat, and Wyll reads as paper-thin, nice, and safe, and the most boring companion puppy at the adventurer's shelter.

He's the dog you adopt because you want a dog or it follows you home. Not a lot of complaints, nothing special, but doesn't have to be - he's there for you, and he'll ride or die as long as you aren't an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Everything you could ask for in the most mundane way possible, so everything you could ask for that you never can put into words to ask for, because it all goes without saying. That's full release Wyll. Mr. Banality.

Ironically, Wyll was changed to be a different kind of DEI ask - one that caters to players who want a very traditionally straight male, good-guy companion, and didn't like that all the companions had (then) such dark, complex stories that largely subverted their class and race archetypes. Wyll still ends up subverting the Warlock expectation, and that's the biggest remnant of his original story. He's meant to be hiding what truly make him a "hero," to everyone, because he sold his soul to his patron to do it (and in EA, iirc it was heavily implied if not stated outright that he did what he did originally out of spite or just sheer mean, making him even more complex).

That didn't land well with people who felt that there needed to be a traditional hero. Everyone else (at the time) had pretty fully developed arcs, Wyll didn't, he got the shaft and softened up for people who don't like complexity and subversion of expectations. To make it all feel a little more safe for people who need a safe space where everything's exactly as straight and need and tidy as they'd like it to be.

So tldr, you're right - but you're wrong about why you're right.

[Govi]

Originally posted by Blood of Kerensky:

Remember people, don't feed the troll. Report and block.

Fire or acid isn’t it?

[Paksarra]

Originally posted by XGear:

No character in this game is charismatic or endearing!
Everything seems designed just for the player to have a love simulation experience in a fantasy world created as a gay world.
Ok ok, it's important to portray gay romance for gay players, but did it need to be that much? To the point where all the characters in the group become unbearable to the point of flirting with our protagonist all the time?
Those who are not gay feel frustrated and unmotivated about having these companions in the group just to have some time in peace in the journey.
Astarion, Gale and Wyll are the worst, always looking for sex. This is very frustrating in BG3. This game feels more like a gay porn game than a Dungeons and Dragons experience.

All the companions that can be romanced do so regardless of your gender, pronouns, or genital selection; they're playersexual, not gay. If you had chosen to play a female or non-binary character, the romance options and flirting would have been exactly the same (aside from a few animation tweaks.)

You also don't get sex scenes if you turn off nudity. There's also always dialogue options to refuse sex; your avatar will not get laid unless you, the player, choose to *actively* pursue it.

Do you get this angry if a guy complements you outside of the game? You can just say "thanks, but I'm not interested in men." That's all it takes.

[Boombastic]

Originally posted by Paksarra:

Originally posted by XGear:

No character in this game is charismatic or endearing!
Everything seems designed just for the player to have a love simulation experience in a fantasy world created as a gay world.
Ok ok, it's important to portray gay romance for gay players, but did it need to be that much? To the point where all the characters in the group become unbearable to the point of flirting with our protagonist all the time?
Those who are not gay feel frustrated and unmotivated about having these companions in the group just to have some time in peace in the journey.
Astarion, Gale and Wyll are the worst, always looking for sex. This is very frustrating in BG3. This game feels more like a gay porn game than a Dungeons and Dragons experience.

All the companions that can be romanced do so regardless of your gender, pronouns, or genital selection; they're playersexual, not gay. If you had chosen to play a female or non-binary character, the romance options and flirting would have been exactly the same (aside from a few animation tweaks.)

You also don't get sex scenes if you turn off nudity. There's also always dialogue options to refuse sex; your avatar will not get laid unless you, the player, choose to *actively* pursue it.

Do you get this angry if a guy complements you outside of the game? You can just say "thanks, but I'm not interested in men." That's all it takes.

Exactly. But all these fragile kidos (or yanki, as Lae’zel would call them) with homophobia that play with a male tav don’t see that the romance procedure would be the same if they would play with a female char and then all come here whining and complaining that the game is „too gay“ made by gay devs for the gay audience 🙄

[XGear]

Originally posted by Boombastic:

Exactly. But all these fragile kidos (or yanki, as Lae’zel would call them) with homophobia that play with a male tav don’t see that the romance procedure would be the same if they would play with a female char and then all come here whining and complaining that the game is „too gay“ made by gay devs for the gay audience 🙄

My word never meant homophobia, but a simple request for equal content from the fanbase in a role-playing game that calls itself an extension of Dungeons and Dragons, a game that was never officially declared a 100% homosexual story, however, with varied creatures and themes. , which logically includes straight relationships!

Fragility for me is not create equality, but trying to exclude groups like Baldurs Gate 3 did, with a false flag of inclusion, when in fact they excluded straight players, in a work called D&D that covers not only the gay public, but everyone interested in Dungeons and Dragons, who clearly may or may not be gay.
For me, being a child means not understanding this simple logic like you didn't, and using the flag with the word "Homophobia and Fragility" as a shield to serve as an argument for your's own ignorance.

Many hypocrites do this to win arguments, they shout accusations of homophobia, instead of reason and logic, because they know that in reality, this game is racist against straight players, favoring only LGBT-community players in its game content.
Dungeons and Dragons was never a 100% LGBT work, but a fantasy world for everyone interested, different from the narrative presented by BG3 by Larian, which only portrays a world where only Gays exist and have emotional relationships.

[Dr. Uncredible]

Originally posted by XGear:

Originally posted by Boombastic:

Exactly. But all these fragile kidos (or yanki, as Lae’zel would call them) with homophobia that play with a male tav don’t see that the romance procedure would be the same if they would play with a female char and then all come here whining and complaining that the game is „too gay“ made by gay devs for the gay audience 🙄

My word never meant homophobia, but a simple request for equal content from the fanbase in a role-playing game that calls itself an extension of Dungeons and Dragons, a game that was never officially declared a 100% homosexual story, however, with varied creatures and themes. , which logically includes straight relationships!

Fragility for me is not create equality, but trying to exclude groups like Baldurs Gate 3 did, with a false flag of inclusion, when in fact they excluded straight players, in a work called D&D that covers not only the gay public, but everyone interested in Dungeons and Dragons, who clearly may or may not be gay.
For me, being a child means not understanding this simple logic like you didn't, and using the flag with the word "Homophobia and Fragility" as a shield to serve as an argument for your's own ignorance.

Many hypocrites do this to win arguments, they shout accusations of homophobia, instead of reason and logic, because they know that in reality, this game is racist against straight players, favoring only LGBT-community players in its game content.
Dungeons and Dragons was never a 100% LGBT work, but a fantasy world for everyone interested, different from the narrative presented by BG3 by Larian, which only portrays a world where only Gays exist and have emotional relationships.

Which bloody game did you play?
There´s plenty of heterosexual love in the game, the only difference is that the culture they present doesn´t treat all other sexualities as abnormal.
And yes, there will be an option to engage romantically with any of the normal player characters, here´s what you do though, you say no and play the rest of the game trying to get an angry lizard lady to come into contact with her emotions.
It´s what I did.
It´s only a problem if you decide that this makes all characters canonically gay, and that makes them weird and bad.
You decide their sexuality.
And if you really feel nothing but anger and disappointment upon Aylins and Isobels reuinion, I´m sorry, you might be broken.

[Lord Adorable]

Originally posted by XGear:

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You must be playing a VERY different game from what the rest of us are playing because I've never once seen or even HEARD about any of these things you're talking about in over 500 hours. In fact, it sounds like you modded it to be that way and then forgot to turn the mod off.

[brendan_in_china]

Originally posted by Paksarra:

Imagine being this butthurt because the devs assigned one out of your ten recruitable NPCs a dark skin tone.

It's dismaying when a progressive uses gay sexual act as an insult. It comes across not as an ally, but just a fair weather friend.