Mindless edgy grimdark crap?

[CtenosaurOaxacana]

UPDATE:
Including the main source of my skepticism about BG3 being 'too edgy'. My concerns are not random paranoia or trolling from out of nowhere, they derive from an review of the game:
I played 15 hours of Baldur’s Gate 3 early access, and I want them back[arstechnica.com]

Also this extra stuff the reviewer talks about in
a post in their comment section[arstechnica.com]
You'll have to reveal spoilers for the most relevant parts.


Original Post:
So, I'm a fan of the classic Baldur's Gate games. I'm also a fan of a lot of grimdark games and media. I have ♥♥♥♥ like Darkwood and Fear & Hunger in my library.

However, it sounds like BG3 so far is mindlessly cruel and sadistic for the sake of it, with little narrative justification.

Not only are you stuck with starting companions who all hate your guts and treat you like ♥♥♥♥, but apparently so are most of the other NPCs you encounter.

Except the ones who aren't so bad, you often have to do a dice roll to determine if they get to be tortured or murdered, whether at hands of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ npcs or even your own.

Does this game have any justification for being so edgy, or is this more of the same 'dark and mean for the sake of it' crap that too many game writers think is 'cool' nowadays?

Do not bother responding if your explanation is that it's 'cool' or 'original' to make a licensed rpg classic into a 'misery simulator'.

[St.Absinthe]

Publicado originalmente por AncapofPool:

Publicado originalmente por Damashi The Kaotic:

All the origin characters are pansexual actually.

Jesus christ that's even worse.

Other LGBT people literally can't live without being told "no not everyone is into you like that", lol. As a Bisexual, I'm ashamed and disgusted and this game seems even more like an edgy CW reimagining of D&D like they did with Green Arrow, but that was at least good for a few seasons.

The fact that you think Arrow was good at any point says a lot about your taste level.

[PocketYoda]

Skinny Barbarians aren't edgy they are hilarious.

[Яeplicant]

Publicado originalmente por Macinjosh:

Publicado originalmente por AncapofPool:

Jesus christ that's even worse.

Other LGBT people literally can't live without being told "no not everyone is into you like that", lol. As a Bisexual, I'm ashamed and disgusted and this game seems even more like an edgy CW reimagining of D&D like they did with Green Arrow, but that was at least good for a few seasons.

The fact that you think Arrow was good at any point says a lot about your taste level.

A couple of seasons were actually not that bad. It sort of turned into a soap opera half way through.

[St.Absinthe]

Publicado originalmente por Яeplicant:

Publicado originalmente por Macinjosh:

The fact that you think Arrow was good at any point says a lot about your taste level.

A couple of seasons were actually not that bad. It sort of turned into a soap opera half way through.

That's true, at least it was more consistent than the Flash. Yikes @ that show.

[PocketYoda]

Publicado originalmente por Яeplicant:

Publicado originalmente por Macinjosh:

The fact that you think Arrow was good at any point says a lot about your taste level.

A couple of seasons were actually not that bad. It sort of turned into a soap opera half way through.

The first season was watchable then its combat became laughable i stopped watching.. Daredevil was better imo.

[St.Absinthe]

Publicado originalmente por DanteYoda:

Publicado originalmente por Яeplicant:

A couple of seasons were actually not that bad. It sort of turned into a soap opera half way through.

The first season was watchable then its combat became laughable i stopped watching.. Daredevil was better imo.

You dodged a bullet because Arrow turned into a soap opera where Oliver just did stuff for his 'cool' girlfriend.

[PocketYoda]

Publicado originalmente por Macinjosh:

Publicado originalmente por DanteYoda:

The first season was watchable then its combat became laughable i stopped watching.. Daredevil was better imo.

You dodged a bullet because Arrow turned into a soap opera where Oliver just did stuff for his 'cool' girlfriend.

Which one i thought they all died lol

[Яeplicant]

Publicado originalmente por Macinjosh:

Publicado originalmente por DanteYoda:

The first season was watchable then its combat became laughable i stopped watching.. Daredevil was better imo.

You dodged a bullet because Arrow turned into a soap opera where Oliver just did stuff for his 'cool' girlfriend.

All that was missing was a spanish girl doing elaborate and overacted gasps. DC puts more faith in their movies than series, I guess. Aside from Doom Patrol, everything else was/is pretty... yeah. Haven't seen Peacemaker yet, though.

[Anarchy]

I mean I obviously lost taste for it if I get similar soap opera fanfic writing vibes off the story elements I've seen of these characters, but like I said that's just been my initial impressions along with honestly being unironically annoyed at some of the mechanical changes they did make and am unsure if they've undone or not but that's neither here nor there.

That was like the closest example of something I could think of of my impressions of what I've experienced in my playtime which isn't actually accurate since, again, I let someone else in the house play from time to time.

But unironically every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ character you can romance just being lol pansexual is literally way more offensive to me as a bisexual than Sosiel being kind of... Stereotypey in a way in WOTR, and Daeran being literally the epitome of a harmful bisexual stereotype that gay/lesbian/straight ppl all use against us in their own ways, it's so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cringe and childish. Romance in RPG's is honestly garbage and I wish the trend never ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ started, but alas, here we are, mass market appeal needs to be at the forefront, ♥♥♥♥ logical sense, we gotta do ♥♥♥♥ so a small number of ppl don't cry. Give me a break, grow some balls, and have some integrity as a writer instead of being cringe and pushing an idiotic agenda.

[St.Absinthe]

Publicado originalmente por Яeplicant:

Publicado originalmente por Macinjosh:

You dodged a bullet because Arrow turned into a soap opera where Oliver just did stuff for his 'cool' girlfriend.

All that was missing was a spanish girl doing elaborate and overacted gasps. DC puts more faith in their movies than series, I guess. Aside from Doom Patrol, everything else was/is pretty... yeah. Haven't seen Peacemaker yet, though.

Wym you don't think that "run barry, run towards love" is a sign of them taking their TV shows seriously?

[Anarchy]

Publicado originalmente por Macinjosh:

Publicado originalmente por Яeplicant:

All that was missing was a spanish girl doing elaborate and overacted gasps. DC puts more faith in their movies than series, I guess. Aside from Doom Patrol, everything else was/is pretty... yeah. Haven't seen Peacemaker yet, though.

Wym you don't think that "run barry, run towards love" is a sign of them taking their TV shows seriously?

Literally every MCU movie entry has been some realistic edgy reimagining of characters for the big screen which they have massively ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up in some way shape or form be it with characters or because they didn't have the rights to certain characters so the actual ♥♥♥♥ they're more or less just ripping out of comics and combining together is hollow because it doesn't have all the components and is entirely propped up on SOME good writing moments, brand recognition, and heavy CGI wow factor that will captivate anyone with half a brain.

DC TV shows have been way more faithful than anything Marvel's done but still miss the mark, because they gave it to a soap opera network.

[St.Absinthe]

Publicado originalmente por AncapofPool:

Publicado originalmente por Macinjosh:

Wym you don't think that "run barry, run towards love" is a sign of them taking their TV shows seriously?

Literally every MCU movie entry has been some realistic edgy reimagining of characters for the big screen which they have massively ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up in some way shape or form be it with characters or because they didn't have the rights to certain characters so the actual ♥♥♥♥ they're more or less just ripping out of comics and combining together is hollow because it doesn't have all the components.

DC TV shows have been way more faithful than anything Marvel's done but still miss the mark, because they gave it to a soap opera network.

I don't care about it being faithful I care about it being good. Comic book writing is young adult novel level writing for the most part. Nothing DC has put out except for Suicide Squad (2) has been good. Marvel puts out some trash but not at the same rate that DC does.

[echoes222]

Publicado originalmente por Tinball:

Sheesh, I don't think it's dark enough honestly. Though I think they are holding the cards a bit close to their chest as far a the story goes. I do believe we are going ot travel to Avernus, so it isn't "mindlessly cruel and sadistic for the sake of it.' It's miserable because all hell is breaking loose on Faerun.

FR shouldn't be dark tho. Or edgy.

[PocketYoda]

Publicado originalmente por echoes222:

Publicado originalmente por Tinball:

Sheesh, I don't think it's dark enough honestly. Though I think they are holding the cards a bit close to their chest as far a the story goes. I do believe we are going ot travel to Avernus, so it isn't "mindlessly cruel and sadistic for the sake of it.' It's miserable because all hell is breaking loose on Faerun.

FR shouldn't be dark tho. Or edgy.

It can be dark but nothing should be edgy.. edgy is just failed and went full ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Яeplicant]

Publicado originalmente por AncapofPool:

Publicado originalmente por Macinjosh:

Wym you don't think that "run barry, run towards love" is a sign of them taking their TV shows seriously?

Literally every MCU movie entry has been some realistic edgy reimagining of characters for the big screen which they have massively ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up in some way shape or form be it with characters or because they didn't have the rights to certain characters so the actual ♥♥♥♥ they're more or less just ripping out of comics and combining together is hollow because it doesn't have all the components.

DC TV shows have been way more faithful than anything Marvel's done but still miss the mark, because they gave it to a soap opera network.

Well, they are doing their own take on Marvel or rather version of it for the big and small screen. Basically a multiverse of it's own. Changing things up is not that bad, if they're planning on changing things anyway and not having it tie-in with the comics.

I don't remember DC being heavy on being soapy but more serious in tone than Marvel as a whole. Comic-wise, that is. As for DCU, they're trying a lot of things and some just don't work as they hope it would. E.g. the stuff Deathstroke did to Terra would probably never make it to DCU or it's shows.