Mindless edgy grimdark crap?

[CtenosaurOaxacana]

UPDATE:
Including the main source of my skepticism about BG3 being 'too edgy'. My concerns are not random paranoia or trolling from out of nowhere, they derive from an review of the game:
I played 15 hours of Baldur’s Gate 3 early access, and I want them back[arstechnica.com]

Also this extra stuff the reviewer talks about in
a post in their comment section[arstechnica.com]
You'll have to reveal spoilers for the most relevant parts.


Original Post:
So, I'm a fan of the classic Baldur's Gate games. I'm also a fan of a lot of grimdark games and media. I have ♥♥♥♥ like Darkwood and Fear & Hunger in my library.

However, it sounds like BG3 so far is mindlessly cruel and sadistic for the sake of it, with little narrative justification.

Not only are you stuck with starting companions who all hate your guts and treat you like ♥♥♥♥, but apparently so are most of the other NPCs you encounter.

Except the ones who aren't so bad, you often have to do a dice roll to determine if they get to be tortured or murdered, whether at hands of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ npcs or even your own.

Does this game have any justification for being so edgy, or is this more of the same 'dark and mean for the sake of it' crap that too many game writers think is 'cool' nowadays?

Do not bother responding if your explanation is that it's 'cool' or 'original' to make a licensed rpg classic into a 'misery simulator'.

[765]

Yeah what's with all the suffering of refuges, assailants and people in war with each other? I don't get it.

Where's the realism, where's the happy songs, WHERE'S THE UNICORNS?!

[765]

引用自 zacharyb：

Well you see people complained about their previous games not being dark enough and too goofy even though their previous game was pretty messed up. Actually I think a lot of people complained that this game isn't dark enough either, so blame those people.

DOS2 was goofy and cartoony, but I agree it was messed up too.

BG has always been really dark, but it didn't throw you into the deep end right from the start so that's the only difference I am seeing.

[Alealexi]

引用自 Gaming Celt：

引用自 zacharyb：

Well you see people complained about their previous games not being dark enough and too goofy even though their previous game was pretty messed up. Actually I think a lot of people complained that this game isn't dark enough either, so blame those people.

DOS2 was goofy and cartoony, but I agree it was messed up too.

BG has always been really dark, but it didn't throw you into the deep end right from the start so that's the only difference I am seeing.

It was not cartoony. It was a little goofy but not as bad as DOS1. DOS2 was messed up with all the gallows humor.

As for OP I think he is trolling since he hasn't responded to anyone here.

[dulany67]

引用自 Gaming Celt：

BG has always been really dark, but it didn't throw you into the deep end right from the start so that's the only difference I am seeing.

BG2 did, though.

[droggen]

I mean the only thing I've seen that really makes the game dark is when you side with the goblins and kill the grove if you don't help the grove in anyway you can walk into the kids hideout and find all the kids dead. Other then that I guess taking the hags deal and letting her keep whats her name Mariana?

[Quillithe]

引用自 dulany67：

引用自 Gaming Celt：

BG has always been really dark, but it didn't throw you into the deep end right from the start so that's the only difference I am seeing.

BG2 did, though.

Even BG1 has your adoptive father killed pretty early on, though it's actually pretty light on plot for awhile after that, at least as far as the main plot goes. Both original games had some dark plot, but at the same time they weren't particularly serious in general (despite all the "Divinity is too goofy" complainers). One moment you're getting a goofy talking sword, the next you're doing your normally silly gnome's quest about an abusive relationship.

[sevenfoothamster]

it seems like it starts edgy but softens up as you go along.
The world is pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥, because the world is always pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ in Forgotten Realms.

But quite a few of your companions are undergoing character arcs. Shadowheart is currently the biggest example of someone softening towards you as time passes. Wyll is already a nice guy with a bit of an edge (which is realistically how someone would behave. Being good doesn't mean being stupid, and good people can make bad decisions), Gale is VERY nice to you and pretty much an open book, but has some rather ♥♥♥♥♥♥ circumstances.

The only ones that are really outright dickish to you 100% of the time are Lae'zel and Astarion. The former of which is part of a race that has dickishness as a racial trait (seriously it's in the race bio for them) and is STILL demonstrably nicer than her kin, even if it just means she openly hates you rather than openly tries to kill you.

As for Astarion? How exactly would you expect a vampire spawn just freed after hundreds of years of servitude to an abusive bully to act?

[Yojo0o]

Am I understanding this thread correct in assuming that OP A) seems to enjoy the genre of game that this is, B) has not actually played this game, and C) seems to have formed firm opinions as to the execution of genre aspects in this game based on, I would assume, the opinions of random strangers?

[Ronin Gamer]

I swear..... I'm constantly amazed there are STILL people coming up with way out of left field weird things to be frustrated with that also doesn't make a ton of sense.

[Ronin Gamer]

引用自 Pumis：

引用自 Gaming Celt：

DOS2 was goofy and cartoony, but I agree it was messed up too.

BG has always been really dark, but it didn't throw you into the deep end right from the start so that's the only difference I am seeing.

In BG1 they literally shove a belt to a player that forces them to change their sex as a joke. Hardly "always dark". Plus space hamster...
While DOS2 introduces cannibalism at the very start of the game. Lot of mutilated body parts and gore as well.

When people say DOS2 was goofy and cartoony, it usually comes from people who are just joking around or just have never played DOS2.
Does it have candy colored graphics? Yes.
Does it have graphical violence and scene that are "dark and edgy"? Yes.

In the end of the day I don't understand what is with this obsession of having dark and edgy content. I think that it might stem from the younger players. Since usually teenagers are obsessed over trying to appear adult/mature thus correlate "dark and edgy" as something that only adults would enjoy. In truth, adults really don't care that much. For same reason WoW was very popular for long time among middle-aged gamers even though it's extermely cartoony and goofy.

Edit: Another thing that bothers me is that people are trying to call it as DoS3 as if it would be a bad thing. If the game were even half as good as DoS2 then it would automatically make it a good game.

I remember having minor arguments with people about how Diablo 3 looked too colorful, too cartoony, too vibrant, and that it should look like Diablo 2, which 75% of the time felt like black was covering half the screen to me, all the colors where darkened so the vibrant colors weren't there, etc etc.

Basically I wasn't one of the whiners complaining about Diablo 3 from a color aesthetic standpoint. Quite the opposite. I enjoy color and vibrancy, you make everything look almost the same for areas upon areas over and over and that ♥♥♥♥ gets BORING to look at.
Probably doesn't help I tried Diablo 2 late and never got into it game play wise like many others did either.

[Zabu]

引用自 ZenxGame：

Companions seem fine to me, as a matter of fact I didn't have a problem with them before they patched their personalities. Sometimes people don't get along, that's life.

"Sometimes people dont get along - but then those people choose to team up for a long adventure with possible romances."

Unrealistic things that never happened for 1000 please LOL

People who actually like the companions we have currently probably have some sort of Stokholm syndrome going with their RL friends - cus that ♥♥♥♥ aint how relationships are supposed to be.

[Zabu]

引用自 Ronin Gamer：

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I think what many refer to as cartoonish graphics is just over saturation and gloom.

It was used quite a lot in DoS2 and Diablo 3 though. Maybe a bit too much - but thats personal taste.

[Ronin Gamer]

引用自 Zabu：

引用自 Ronin Gamer：

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I think what many refer to as cartoonish graphics is just over saturation and gloom.

It was used quite a lot in DoS2 and Diablo 3 though. Maybe a bit too much - but thats personal taste.

Happily take that over everything being blackened the hell out. Never a fan of that. Hoping Diablo 4 can find a middle ground that isn't too similar to Diablo 2.

[zenebatos1]

*Gets kidnapped by Brain Sucking Cthulhu looking ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥*
*Gets a Brain Worm inserted in your eyeball*
*Gets entangled in a fight between Squidwards Spacefaring cousins and Red dragons*
*Goes Litteraly through Hell*
*Has to escape flying Squid ship by killing your way through Brainwashed people, talking/walking Brains and Devils*
*Crash land into the wilderness 100 of miles from any civilisation*
*Other people you met that are in the same situation as yourself, are NOT happy with any of this, and they have little reasons to trust you, a complet stranger*
*Other people you meet here in the Lawless Wilderness, life lives of Recluses/Outcasts, that do not take kindly to strangers*
*Said Wilderness if full of stuff that can and will kill you, then either eat or rape you in no particular order*

"ThEy ArE EdgY fOr No GoOd ReAsOnS!!!! Huuuuurrrrrr"

Did you actually play the game and read the text?...

[zenebatos1]

引用自 Zabu：

"Sometimes people dont get along - but then those people choose to team up for a long adventure with possible romances."

Unrealistic things that never happened for 1000 please LOL

DO you get along with all your co-workers?

After all you're all working togheter as a "team" iright?, so you must be friends with ALL of them with no exeptions right?