Haste is totally broken in this game.

[Grumpy Old Guy]

In 5e the haste spell lets you take one additional action, that action can't be a spell and it can't be more than a single attack.

I just used it for the first time and noticed that my wizard can now throw two fire balls every turn and my fighter can attack four times, with action surge six.

Easily the strongest buff spell in the entire game now.

[Malaficus Shaikan]

Even without that bug it is very strong.
On table top our hasted barabarian killed everything.
I always joked.
I haste the barabarian and go make some thee.

[Blackfrost]

I miss 3rd edition haste :'(

[Noctoculus]

Originally posted by Grumpy Old Guy:

In 5e the haste spell lets you take one additional action, that action can't be a spell and it can't be more than a single attack.

I just used it for the first time and noticed that my wizard can now throw two fire balls every turn and my fighter can attack four times, with action surge six.

Easily the strongest buff spell in the entire game now.

At max level Fighters get 3 attacks per action.

[Grumpy Old Guy]

Originally posted by Malaficus Shaikan:

Even without that bug it is very strong.
On table top our hasted barabarian killed everything.
I always joked.
I haste the barabarian and go make some thee.

On table top it's good no doubt but if you have a sorcerer this lets you cast three leveled spells in one turn. That's outright stupidly broken and shouldn't be a thing.

[Rex is back, baby!]

Originally posted by Blackfrost:

I miss 3rd edition haste :'(

Pathfinder exists for that. Even still, pathfinder's haste is OP too.
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Haste is always going to be OP. That's what a buff is designed to do, make you overpowered.

A debuff, the opposite, will always make you feel underpowered.

Appropriately powered, for you, is when there are no buffs or debuffs applied.

[Grumpy Old Guy]

Originally posted by Rex:

Originally posted by Blackfrost:

I miss 3rd edition haste :'(

Pathfinder exists for that. Even still, pathfinder's haste is OP too.
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Haste is always going to be OP. That's what a buff is designed to do, make you overpowered.

A debuff, the opposite, will always make you feel underpowered.

Appropriately powered, for you, is when there are no buffs or debuffs applied.

That's an insane take. Haste is not always going to be OP because it literally isn't in the source material they used to make the game in the first place. Buffs are designed to buff you not break the game.

[Sentient_Toaster]

That's quite the buff to the spell, but I can imagine that the alternative of building a UI and in-game tooltips to properly implement it in a way easily understood by players completely unfamiliar with D&D might be have been considered not worth the effort.

[Grumpy Old Guy]

Originally posted by Sentient_Toaster:

That's quite the buff to the spell, but I can imagine that the alternative of building a UI and in-game tooltips to properly implement it in a way easily understood by players completely unfamiliar with D&D might be have been considered not worth the effort.

You could, oh I don't know, literally copy the exact wording of the spell from the player's handbook and make the inspect button show the exact text...

It's literally already written out for them.

[Blackfrost]

tbf 5th edition Haste is quite underpowered, I legit prefer this version of it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Grumpy Old Guy]

Originally posted by Blackfrost:

tbf 5th edition Haste is quite underpowered, I legit prefer this version of it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This version is insane. Due to how they did this a sorcerer with haste can cast three spells a turn that's objectively insane considering that the core of normal dnd is one spell per turn unless you multiclass fighter and get action surge and even then that works one time not ten.

Hell if you take two levels of warlock that's three eldritch blasts per turn. At level 11 that's like 9 shots a turn.

[Army of Optimists]

Originally posted by Sentient_Toaster:

That's quite the buff to the spell, but I can imagine that the alternative of building a UI and in-game tooltips to properly implement it in a way easily understood by players completely unfamiliar with D&D might be have been considered not worth the effort.

It really wouldn't have been hard. There's already a bar for all your "resources", including your action and bonus action. The Haste action could've just been an extra shape added to that bar with a tooltip that explains it: "Haste Action: Can be used to perform a single weapon attack, Dash, Disengage, Hide, or Use an Item."

I mean, Haste already adds an action to the bar, it's just slotted as a second normal action instead. Solasta manages the spell just fine. The Pathfinder games do the same with their version of Haste. BG 1/2 did it, too.

Larian has 450 employees and spent some 100+ million and six years on this game. Let's not make excuses like they're a small indie company.

[Ephemerant]

Originally posted by Noctoculus:

Originally posted by Grumpy Old Guy:

In 5e the haste spell lets you take one additional action, that action can't be a spell and it can't be more than a single attack.

I just used it for the first time and noticed that my wizard can now throw two fire balls every turn and my fighter can attack four times, with action surge six.

Easily the strongest buff spell in the entire game now.

At max level Fighters get 3 attacks per action.

The Haste spell in 5e specifically states that the Hastened Action can only be one additional attack, not another use of the Extra Attacks feature.

[Yakito]

I think that a wizard being able to cast 2 of its strongest spells is still weaker than the Fighter or Barbarian so it's not a problem to me.

[Grumpy Old Guy]

Originally posted by Ephemerant:

Originally posted by Noctoculus:

At max level Fighters get 3 attacks per action.

The Haste spell in 5e specifically states that the Hastened Action can only be one additional attack, not another use of the Extra Attacks feature.

I think he thinks I used haste for the first time at level 11, which I did not.

[Grumpy Old Guy]

Originally posted by Yakito:

I think that a wizard being able to cast 2 of its strongest spells is still weaker than the Fighter or Barbarian so it's not a problem to me.

Then you're just flat out wrong lol. Weaker how exactly? Single target damage? Possibly. Against multiple enemies? Not a chance in hell.

If you can hit at least three people that's 48d6 for an average of 144 damage. Good luck doing 144 damage with a fighter or a barbarian in one turn. Paladin could probably do it with crits.