A talk about cats led me down a terrible path

[Vince]

So, I see a lot of posts about all the gay advances in the game. With a lot of push-back, people claiming anti-LGBTQ bs. Here's the dialogue I experienced that pissed me off and put me in the "Larian screwed up with gay companions" group:

I like Gale. I think he's a cool, funny guy. Real friend material. And thus I talked with him about all the trivial stuff. So when he started talking about his cat, I was all for it. I didn't know this subject was the tunnel either into his rectum, or into becoming labeled a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ animal-hater.

Why? Because during the cat conversation with Gale, I ended up with 3 dialogue options. The first two practically exclaimed my erotic love for Gale, while the last one had me say this, and I paraphrase: "Would you stop talking about your stupid cat already? Don't you have more interesting things to say?"

I was forced to choose the latter for obvious reasons -- because my Ranger isn't gay -- which prompted Gale to say something like: "You're not an animal person, are you?"

Well, Gale, I'm a Ranger and my main purpose in life is to protect nature and its animals from those who want to do them harm. So, in no unclear term: Go F yourself.

Sadly, I didn't get that dialogue option.

In the end, I reloaded and ignored the cat subject altogether.

That didn't help, though. A few nights later we were practically holding eachothers' hands while looking at the night sky, completely devoid of player agency.

Edit/Add: The problem, of course, is that the game isn't coded into acknowledging a difference between genders. To the game, we're all unisex. So in this way, every companion is gay and also isn't. *cough* reductio ad absurdum *cough*

[Grail-ums]

When you look through the lens of the LGBTQ+ community as a hotbed of narcissism and histrionic personality disorder, ♥♥♥♥ like this makes complete and total sense.

Now before people get their pitchforks I said COMMUNITY, not every single LGBTQ+ person. I was just at a panel for a con talking about trans issues and such and dear lord the narcissism of this community is palpable. The delusional state of mind for some of these people is downright dangerous. They will talk about fearing for their lives and using that as justification to want to attack and kill people.

Games like this that just "reaffirm" that this kind of thinking and "omg they talked to me in a friendly way it means they want me and accept me and want to suck my ♥♥♥♥!" is tragic and dangerous.

[Hyena]

|wilb|님이 먼저 게시:

Sorry to say but if I can only ask / tell him
paraphrasing
"
1.) Do you like to get your belly rubbed
2.) I hoped I meant more to you than a cat

vs

3.) I hate cats
"

it's two options the first two leading towards the same end, sex / relationship with gale and the last one is just hating on animals

I couldn't suffer being known as an animal hater so I gave in and let Gale have his way with my character. I felt violated and used but at least I wasn't known as an animal hater.

The trauma really changed my character. He became very shy and is no longer able to approach random NPC's out of fear. He's sticking to plot essential characters now.

[['w']]

I selected f cats, it was a lie and sometimes I can't stand them at all, so well, a white lie.

[Zerostalgia]

|wilb|님이 먼저 게시:

1.) Do you like to get your belly rubbed
2.) I hoped I meant more to you than a cat

vs

3.) I hate cats
"

it's two options the first two leading towards the same end, sex / relationship with gale and the last one is just hating on animals

Nope.
Option 2 gives another discussion point where you can say, "Thanks, but I want to be just friends."

[Zerostalgia]

Hyena님이 먼저 게시:

I couldn't suffer being known as an animal hater so I gave in and let Gale have his way with my character. I felt violated and used but at least I wasn't known as an animal hater.

The trauma really changed my character. He became very shy and is no longer able to approach random NPC's out of fear. He's sticking to plot essential characters now.

Hyena님이 먼저 게시:

Yeah that was my main issue. I did not enjoy a video game character raping my player character so I restarted the game and killed him before he could do that.

What do you mean he's sticking to plot essential characters now?
I thought you restarted?

[ToJKa]

|wilb|님이 먼저 게시:

I selected f cats, it was a lie and sometimes I can't stand them at all, so well, a white lie.

Heh, cats are sort of a love/hate relationship

[Vince]

|wilb|님이 먼저 게시:

Sorry to say but if I can only ask / tell him
paraphrasing
"
1.) Do you like to get your belly rubbed
2.) I hoped I meant more to you than a cat

vs

3.) I hate cats
"

it's two options the first two leading towards the same end, sex / relationship with gale and the last one is just hating on animals

THANK YOU! Those were the options! And that was right after a totally normal talk about cats.

CASE CLOSED

[Vince]

CASE REOPENED

Annnd Halsin is starting to give off rapist vibes by now.

What do I mean by this exxagerated expression of discontent? Well, after rejecting him a minimum of TWO TIMES ALREADY in Chapter 2, the creep AGAIN made an advance on me early Chapter 3. This is becoming so incredibly ridiculous, I'm actually getting this incredibly dumb urge to turn my positive review into a negative one. I had to reject the women ONCE -- actually far before I knew what woman was the right one -- and all ships have sailed with those chicks. Yet Gale and Halsin keep swinging open a door I've slammed shut multiple times. I mean, wtf? He also had the god-darned audacity to tell me I gave HIM the wrong idea. F off, dude! I was just being a nice bro. F you from now on.

Also, and this is kind of off-topic and weird: the romance scene with Karlach in Chapter 3 is nearly disgusting. Either the developers who made that scene never had sex before, or they went the cheap way and use the same romance animations/cutscenes for both women and male protagonists. I strongly suspect it's the latter case.

BG3 is a great game, but incomparable with the old Bioware when it comes to writing romance. And I believe it's high time we jump off the "LARIAN IS PERFECTION" bandwagon and start giving them some constructive feedback for their future games regarding this sh*te.

[['w']]

Karlach sex scene is a clear thumbs up for me.

[Vince]

|wilb|님이 먼저 게시:

Karlach sex scene is a clear thumbs up for me.

I think that's exactly what she did during the scene: thumbs up into where the sun don't shine. :P

I'm being silly, but it was highly suggestive and could be interpreted multiple ways. I didn't find it sexy whatsoever. But I'm not invested into debating the Karlach scene enough to make a whole thing off of it.

[Mordegar]

The game goes from a straight *wanna screw you no matter what you are* into a *friends only* relation and not the usual other way around, that's what's kinda immersion breaking for me about the whole band of companions, no matter what Gender they may have.
Most of it will happen in Act 1 and 2 already so it's like you meet a stranger and shortly after he's fallen in love with you, it's kinda implausible for most Characters in your Camp, given their general attitude towards you in the beginning.

Even Lae'zel goes from *follow me or die* to *your smell is like ambrosia* in like 3 nights in Act 1, i mean wtf?!?

[Vince]

Exactly Mordegar.

And after I've played some more, the character everyone past Act 2 knows as The Emperor wants to bed me too! Why? Again, because I showed SYMPATHY instead of stoicism earlier! So ridiculous!

[Kamiyama]

Vince님이 먼저 게시:

CASE REOPENED

Annnd Halsin is starting to give off rapist vibes by now.

What do I mean by this exxagerated expression of discontent? Well, after rejecting him a minimum of TWO TIMES ALREADY in Chapter 2, the creep AGAIN made an advance on me early Chapter 3. This is becoming so incredibly ridiculous, I'm actually getting this incredibly dumb urge to turn my positive review into a negative one. I had to reject the women ONCE -- actually far before I knew what woman was the right one -- and all ships have sailed with those chicks. Yet Gale and Halsin keep swinging open a door I've slammed shut multiple times. I mean, wtf? He also had the god-darned audacity to tell me I gave HIM the wrong idea. F off, dude! I was just being a nice bro. F you from now on.

Also, and this is kind of off-topic and weird: the romance scene with Karlach in Chapter 3 is nearly disgusting. Either the developers who made that scene never had sex before, or they went the cheap way and use the same romance animations/cutscenes for both women and male protagonists. I strongly suspect it's the latter case.

BG3 is a great game, but incomparable with the old Bioware when it comes to writing romance. And I believe it's high time we jump off the "LARIAN IS PERFECTION" bandwagon and start giving them some constructive feedback for their future games regarding this sh*te.

Is Karlach a top?

Muscle girls should be tops. Club the dude over the head and drag him to the bedroom.

In a perfect world all men would be weak little three-legged shotas and all women would be yandere tomboys with huge racks.

Sounds like the only thing Karlach needs is the huge rack?

[Zerostalgia]

Vince님이 먼저 게시:

CASE REOPENED

Annnd Halsin is starting to give off rapist vibes by now.

You mean this conversation?
https://steamcommunity.com/id/zerostalgia/screenshot/2045250344273358433/
How is that rapist vibes?

[PocketYoda]

Zerostalgia님이 먼저 게시:

Vince님이 먼저 게시:

CASE REOPENED

Annnd Halsin is starting to give off rapist vibes by now.

You mean this conversation?
https://steamcommunity.com/id/zerostalgia/screenshot/2045250344273358433/
How is that rapist vibes?

Nice to see another Gnome player.