CLASS TIER LIST.

[Fast]

This is based on tactician only and pure classes only no multiclass.

S Paladin Bard
A Fighter Sorcerer Cleric
B Barbarian Ranger Warlock Monk
C Rogue
D Wizard
F Druid

[Enigmatory]

Originalmente postado por Syzygy:

What are the criteria that we're ranking them on? Overall power level across the entire game? Early game potential? Just end game potential? Multiclass potential?

That's not tier list he just don't played classes that's he ranked middle and lowest.

[Fast]

Originalmente postado por Enigmatory:

Originalmente postado por Syzygy:

What are the criteria that we're ranking them on? Overall power level across the entire game? Early game potential? Just end game potential? Multiclass potential?

That's not tier list he just don't played classes that's he ranked middle and lowest.

I played every class.

I tested them all across the viconia fight all enemies, raphael, and gortash, as well as Grym for combat.
I did some on myrkrul and balthazar too.

For utility and control and skills, it was a bit more difficult, but testing the counting house was pretty useful. Generally speaking Bards have the strongest overall utility in game and cover a wide range of game systems with very low effort.

[Eminem]

Originalmente postado por Enigmatory:

Originalmente postado por Syzygy:

What are the criteria that we're ranking them on? Overall power level across the entire game? Early game potential? Just end game potential? Multiclass potential?

That's not tier list he just don't played classes that's he ranked middle and lowest.

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[Aiendreas]

Originalmente postado por Fast:

This is based on tactician only and pure classes only no multiclass.

S Paladin Bard
A Fighter Sorcerer Cleric
B Barbarian Ranger Warlock Monk
C Rogue
D Wizard
F Druid

What does S stand for?

[Enigmatory]

Originalmente postado por Fast:

Originalmente postado por Enigmatory:

That's not tier list he just don't played classes that's he ranked middle and lowest.

I played every class.

I tested them all across the viconia fight all enemies, raphael, and gortash, for combat.
I did some on myrkrul and balthazar too.

For utility and control and skills, it was a bit more difficult, but testing the counting house was pretty useful.

You placed wizad into D tier. That's mean you don't have even slightests idea how wizard works.

[ACS36]

Tactician is barely harder than balanced. The AI's behavior is pretty random all around and they don't always focus fire the weakest targets. A reasonable tier list would be something like. S, A, B, C, because all classes are playable and work on tactician. C tier should be reserved for only sub classes that are weaker than alternatives. Other wise every class is a B or higher.

You can tell somebody doesn't know how to create a tier list when they avoid putting many options in the same bracket for the sake of having a curve. Most classes are A or B. None are really bad enough to grade below B tier.

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Hunter multiclass Champion – S tier

[Fast]

Originalmente postado por Enigmatory:

Originalmente postado por Fast:

I played every class.

I tested them all across the viconia fight all enemies, raphael, and gortash, for combat.
I did some on myrkrul and balthazar too.

For utility and control and skills, it was a bit more difficult, but testing the counting house was pretty useful.

You placed wizad into D tier. That's mean you don't have even slightests idea how wizard works.

You dont understand how optimisation and mechanical importance and itemization, determine what the best pure classes are.

Wizard does literally nothing as good as a pure sorc can, and having 500 spells is useless without metamagic. Not forgetting, there is thousands of free scrolls, potions and elixirs in game, that undermine ever using a wizard. A sorc gets better items, has metamagic, has better utility, does not rely on intel (the most useless ability score) and can be the face of the party, whilst also providing double buffs for your martials, get arcane battery and doesnt even need a "learn scroll" option to be this good.
Consider the wider game and youll realize wizard is just a bad sorc or more interesting less powerful warlock.

[Bonus Bang]

Originalmente postado por Sum Ting Wong:

Originalmente postado por Batailleuse:

my necromancer 11/barb1 with 27 AC, 10 pets and unlimited spell slot 6 to cast necromancer would like to disagree here. (barb only contributes to AC) but the rest of the statement is valid even for a pure necromancer.

probably forgot to mention, but 1 of the pet fear and does 8d8 damage, one of them does 3x3d8 or heal up absolutely everyone on my team, and 8 of them can paralyze a target, 2 of the 8 can actually fly to target to paralyze them.

800 combined HP pool for the wizard and its summons
about 30-35d8 worth of damage per turn just with minion, if everyone does hit. (not counting paralysis otherwise you can easily double that)
and my own damage is anywhere between 3d8 (basic cantrip) to 10d8 (single target) or 8d8 (aoe) on demand. without using any consumable.

Cute to know it's a D for you.

doing a necromancer in a coop game with friends, only lvl 6 right now but please enlighten on how to build it the way you did or similar rofl

He's vastly overselling the Necromancer, the vast majority of his summons will have less than 50% hit chance in act 3 and for them to do the damage he lists the target has to be under some condition, in act 3 endgame it's easier to just vaporise the enemies.
All the necro summons also require bodies to summon, there will be areas with no suitable targets. Other than a meatwall there is zero reason to play it like that. The only bit he's getting from necro is 1 minion ekstra, so any other wizard could have 9 pets.
The infinite S6 spell slots is a bug that I assume Larian will get around to fix eventually but the Necromancer is not needed for that either.

[Enigmatory]

Originalmente postado por Fast:

Originalmente postado por Enigmatory:

You placed wizad into D tier. That's mean you don't have even slightests idea how wizard works.

You dont understand how optimisation and mechanical importance and itemization, determine what the best pure classes are.

Wizard does literally nothing as good as a pure sorc can, and having 500 spells is useless without metamagic. Not forgetting, there is thousands of free scrolls, potions and elixirs in game, that undermine ever using a wizard. A sorc gets better items, has metamagic, has better utility, does not rely on intel (the most useless ability score) and can be the face of the party, whilst also providing double buffs for your martials, get arcane battery and doesnt even need a "learn scroll" option to be this good.
Consider the wider game and youll realize wizard is just a bad sorc or more interesting less powerful warlock.

Try diviner.

[Gr00vy]

Originalmente postado por Fast:

Originalmente postado por Enigmatory:

That's not tier list he just don't played classes that's he ranked middle and lowest.

I played every class.

I tested them all across the viconia fight all enemies, raphael, and gortash, as well as Grym for combat.
I did some on myrkrul and balthazar too.

For utility and control and skills, it was a bit more difficult, but testing the counting house was pretty useful. Generally speaking Bards have the strongest overall utility in game and cover a wide range of game systems with very low effort.

You tested them against strictly humanoids. Good for you. They represent only a portion of the enemies in game, and not a large one.

Most of a bard's abilities can't be used to CC if they're not humanoid. For the ones that are, well guess what, wizard/sorc can do that too.

Bard are poop.

[Fast]

Originalmente postado por BirdOfBantz:

Originalmente postado por Fast:

I played every class.

I tested them all across the viconia fight all enemies, raphael, and gortash, as well as Grym for combat.
I did some on myrkrul and balthazar too.

For utility and control and skills, it was a bit more difficult, but testing the counting house was pretty useful. Generally speaking Bards have the strongest overall utility in game and cover a wide range of game systems with very low effort.

You tested them against strictly humanoids. Good for you. They represent only a portion of the enemies in game, and not a large one.

Most of a bard's abilities can't be used to CC if they're not humanoid. For the ones that are, well guess what, wizard/sorc can do that too.

Bard are poop.

tell me you dont know spell lists and spell DC without telling me.
The game is about 70% humanoids, 30% monsters and undead.

[yuzhonglu]

Cleric and Fighter are S Tier late game. Fighter is the only one to get triple attack, and cleric can summon a water elemental healbot AND use heroic feast which grants immunity to frighten and increases max HP for entire party.

Bards get magical secrets so they CC monsters just fine if you get the spells.

[Enigmatory]

Originalmente postado por Fast:

Originalmente postado por BirdOfBantz:

You tested them against strictly humanoids. Good for you. They represent only a portion of the enemies in game, and not a large one.

Most of a bard's abilities can't be used to CC if they're not humanoid. For the ones that are, well guess what, wizard/sorc can do that too.

Bard are poop.

tell me you dont know spell lists and spell DC without telling me.
The game is about 70% humanoids, 30% monsters and undead.

All spells have one DC which is 8+main stat mod + prof bonus. They have nothing to do with spell level.

[Fast]

Originalmente postado por Enigmatory:

Originalmente postado por Fast:

tell me you dont know spell lists and spell DC without telling me.
The game is about 70% humanoids, 30% monsters and undead.

All spells have one DC which is 8+main stat mod + prof bonus. They have nothing to do with spell level.

Yes?
Full casters get level 6 spells at level 11....
prof bonus goes up every 4 levels? what you want to know?