Gith keep parrying sneak attacks

[Jaeger Pilot]

Isn't a sneak attack supposed to be a surprise attack you can't see/hear, and thus not be able to react to in time to parry?

Update: They still parry when surprised out of combat.

[Jaeger Pilot]

Messaggio originale di Pornojeesus:

True. Sneak attack is Rogue feature, where if Rogue has advantage, he gets to roll extra damage dice. Same thing, different method, as extra attack for most level 5 melee classes.

But if the parry works when doing surprise / out of combat attack, then I might call that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Yes, Porno Jesus. They parry when you surprise attack someone out of combat in BG3.

[Dr. Sinclair]

Messaggio originale di Jaeger Pilot:

Messaggio originale di Dr. Sinclair:

afaik parry uses a reaction? so they should not be able to use it when surprised. Difficult to tell, i dont think i was able to read up on their parry mechanic in their sheets.

Well, they parry when surprised in BG3.

now i call ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on that
(As in the mechanic is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, don't eat my head)

[Anarch]

What skill makes them keep parrying because we all talking about the patrol in Shadowlands right before Moontower?
I did the fight and killed them 200xp each. But the melee dudes keep parrying my 1st attack each round, so i had to haste Karlach for 3 attacks per round cause 1st was always parried?
Is that a bug or is a feature for ginths warriors?

[Jaeger Pilot]

Messaggio originale di Anarch:

What skill makes them keep parrying because we all talking about the patrol in Shadowlands right before Moontower?
I did the fight and killed them 200xp each. But the melee dudes keep parrying my 1st attack each round, so i had to haste Karlach for 3 attacks per round cause 1st was always parried?
Is that a bug or is a feature for ginths warriors?

For me it were some of the gith fighters in their base in the old temple.

[Dr. Sinclair]

Messaggio originale di Anarch:

What skill makes them keep parrying because we all talking about the patrol in Shadowlands right before Moontower?
I did the fight and killed them 200xp each. But the melee dudes keep parrying my 1st attack each round, so i had to haste Karlach for 3 attacks per round cause 1st was always parried?
Is that a bug or is a feature for ginths warriors?

its their feature, stupid as it can be.

[meowbeast]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryuW22MWnOU

[zero]

Messaggio originale di Jaeger Pilot:

Messaggio originale di zero:

then they weren't surprised, and had actions.

Then why did it do sneak attack damage (which was reduced by the parry)?

cause surprise state removes actions, sneak attack can apply when you have advantage, an unaware enemy provides advantage, but may not be surprised when attacked.

[Jaeger Pilot]

Messaggio originale di zero:

Messaggio originale di Jaeger Pilot:

Then why did it do sneak attack damage (which was reduced by the parry)?

cause surprise state removes actions, sneak attack can apply when you have advantage, an unaware enemy provides advantage, but may not be surprised when attacked.

What annoyed me and made me post this thread, was a gith that was out of combat and surprised by my sneak attack that still parried my attack, preventing me from stealth killing him in one round.

[Dr. Sinclair]

Messaggio originale di Jaeger Pilot:

Messaggio originale di zero:

cause surprise state removes actions, sneak attack can apply when you have advantage, an unaware enemy provides advantage, but may not be surprised when attacked.

What annoyed me and made me post this thread, was a gith that was out of combat and surprised by my sneak attack that still parried my attack, preventing me from stealth killing him in one round.

okay, my theory is - that since he was not in combat at the time, he didnt have "Surprised" when the attack landed, and thus could still react

[Jaeger Pilot]

Messaggio originale di Dr. Sinclair:

Messaggio originale di Jaeger Pilot:

What annoyed me and made me post this thread, was a gith that was out of combat and surprised by my sneak attack that still parried my attack, preventing me from stealth killing him in one round.

okay, my theory is - that since he was not in combat at the time, he didnt have "Surprised" when the attack landed, and thus could still react

He didn't get to act for a whole round, though, being surprised, and I'm pretty sure he parried in the surprise round as well, though I don't remember that exactly.

[Jaeger Pilot]

I checked the description of Githyanki Parry:

"You must be wielding a Greatsword, SEE THE ATTACKER, and you can't be incapacitated or Restrained."

They constantly parry when they can't see the attacker since I am sneaking and attack them out of combat.

Another thing I noticed is that a mage counterspelled me when I was hiding. My spell was countered, but I didn't leave hiding, so he still didn't know where I was even after he had counterspelled me. Counterspelling requires that you see the person you are countering.

[Grumpy Old Guy]

They aren't supposed to be able to take reactions when they are surprised. The problem is you break invisibility when you make the attack, not when it hits, and if you get spotted as you're making the attack then they won't be surprised and can parry.

Does it make sense? No. Would a Dungeon Master rule it that way? No way in hell.

[Jaeger Pilot]

Messaggio originale di Grumpy Old Guy:

They aren't supposed to be able to take reactions when they are surprised. The problem is you break invisibility when you make the attack, not when it hits, and if you get spotted as you're making the attack then they won't be surprised and can parry.

Does it make sense? No. Would a Dungeon Master rule it that way? No way in hell.

Since the game has facing, they don't see you when you're behind them, though.

[Morgian]

There are features that make one immune to surprise. Surprise is determined by a WIS check according to the rulebook. Probably the same here.

[Baldurs_Gate_2]

Yeah, that's why my rogue / ranger hates greatsword giths. They parry, even if i shoot em in the back with the sword still on their back xd

Best is to just lure em somewhere with a pit and throw em in.