Self Same Trial help

[vi3tnam]

In the dungeon that takes place in the trial of Shar is a mirror battle against your own characters but shadowy by nature. I would be alright except the enemy copies randomly go invisible. Eventually during the final stretch of the fight, the last 2 enemies left alive spam attack & invisible non stop. Any tips would be appreciated.

[BagOfBones-21403]

Do it either solo or with Shadowheart for approval and strip yourself of any and all equipment before making the blood sacrifice,
Your mirror selves will be easier to hit without armor and do less damage without weapons.

[Oddball]

Originally posted by BagOfBones-21403:

Do it either solo or with Shadowheart for approval and strip yourself of any and all equipment before making the blood sacrifice,
Your mirror selves will be easier to hit without armor and do less damage without weapons.

Yes, this is much easier solo with equipment removed prior to the blood sacrifice. Then you can re-equip after stepping through the doors. The mirror npc will be bare. I choose Shadowheart, so the npc still cast on me, but she died really fast despite trying to go invisible.

[Iso Koala]

Put evenryone in sneak mode so that you can see their red cones before the battle. Then sneak around those cones, the enemies dont move so you dont need skill checks at all for stealth. Position all you characters behind their copies, quick save the game, put on some buff if you want, like weapon poisons etc. Then press "turn based mode" button, and attack everyone of them in the same time before they can react, and they get "surprised" status too. Melee guys shouldnt have any issues with their copies, and after that they can help the weaker ones to finish the rest of in next turn.

[Oddball]

Originally posted by Iso Koala:

Put evenryone in sneak mode so that you can see their red cones before the battle. Then sneak around those cones, the enemies dont move so you dont need skill checks at all for stealth. Position all you characters behind their copies, quick save the game, put on some buff if you want, like weapon poisons etc. Then press "turn based mode" button, and attack everyone of them in the same time before they can react, and they get "surprised" status too. Melee guys shouldnt have any issues with their copies, and after that they can help the weaker ones to finish the rest of in next turn.

It's all good however folks want to do this, but just curious, why take the trouble to fight 4x when you can just do it solo vs. an unarmed/unarmored mirror?

[Carynara]

Daylight / See Invisibility might also be useful. But yeah, best to solo it. I had no idea you can cheat with unequipping and reequipping gear, that's so lol.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Wait, y'all try cheesin it? I fight 4v4, and use the chandeliers to my advantage to keep them in light

Though I do kinda cheese by sneaking around and getting a surprise attack as they like to hide as well

[Oddball]

Originally posted by Carynara:

Daylight / See Invisibility might also be useful. But yeah, best to solo it. I had no idea you can cheat with unequipping and reequipping gear, that's so lol.

It's not "cheating"... it's just paying attention to the details the game presents. It's a mirror challenge... so why mirror oneself fully armed, if one can unequip and re-equip? I dunno... just common sense and a huge time saver on my 2nd play-through.

[Mike Garrison]

Originally posted by Oddball:

Originally posted by Carynara:

Daylight / See Invisibility might also be useful. But yeah, best to solo it. I had no idea you can cheat with unequipping and reequipping gear, that's so lol.

It's not "cheating"... it's just paying attention to the details the game presents. It's a mirror challenge... so why mirror oneself fully armed, if one can unequip and re-equip? I dunno... just common sense and a huge time saver on my 2nd play-through.

It's pure cheese. IMO, of course.

These "you have to fight yourself" challenges are always terrible. Game designers should have learned by now not to do them. (But at least BG3 avoided the "you've been captured in a cutscene and now you have lost all your gear" thing.)

Anyway, the only thing you need in order to *easily* pass this challenge (without any other gimmicks) is to see invisibility and sneak. Volo's eye is perfect. You get surprise on the shadows, rather than the other way around.

[Lod101]

Originally posted by Mike Garrison:

Originally posted by Oddball:

It's not "cheating"... it's just paying attention to the details the game presents. It's a mirror challenge... so why mirror oneself fully armed, if one can unequip and re-equip? I dunno... just common sense and a huge time saver on my 2nd play-through.

It's pure cheese. IMO, of course.

These "you have to fight yourself" challenges are always terrible. Game designers should have learned by now not to do them. (But at least BG3 avoided the "you've been captured in a cutscene and now you have lost all your gear" thing.)

Anyway, the only thing you need in order to *easily* pass this challenge (without any other gimmicks) is to see invisibility. Volo's eye is perfect.

Hey Shadow Link was the only good thing in the Water Temple.

[Kafik]

It's not supposed to be very difficult. So "cheese it" by doing it solo, do it normal with a full party but the point isn't the fight the point is completing part of a chain that unlocks the story.

[Oddball]

Originally posted by Mal:

It's not supposed to be very difficult. So "cheese it" by doing it solo, do it normal with a full party but the point isn't the fight the point is completing part of a chain that unlocks the story.

Yes, but it's not cheese to do it solo. The story of the trials is really meant just for Shadowheart, yet they let anyone complete them in a "Spiderman and Friends" style... and allow for the entire party to squeeze into the trial rooms at the same time. So going solo in the mirror room is really the way it's *supposed* to be done, with +credit if it's Shadowheart, with +credit if it's a bare knuckles cat fight with nothing equipped. (I hated going in fully equipped with 4 and having every single random magic item and scroll cast back at me that was collecting dust in my inventory).

Why on earth anyone would want to do this with 4 just because they think they're doing the trials in a more righteous manner for some sort of difficulty props is beyond me. It's supposed to be just her or at least solo.... nothing cheesy about doing it bare and solo... just my read on the story of it all etc...

[Kafik]

Originally posted by Oddball:

Originally posted by Mal:

It's not supposed to be very difficult. So "cheese it" by doing it solo, do it normal with a full party but the point isn't the fight the point is completing part of a chain that unlocks the story.

Yes, but it's not cheese to do it solo. The story of the trials is really meant just for Shadowheart, yet they let anyone complete them in a "Spiderman and Friends" style... and allow for the entire party to squeeze into the trial rooms at the same time. So going solo in the mirror room is really the way it's *supposed* to be done, with +credit if it's Shadowheart, with +credit if it's a bare knuckles cat fight with nothing equipped. (I hated going in fully equipped with 4 and having every single random magic item and scroll cast back at me that was collecting dust in my inventory).

Why on earth anyone would want to do this with 4 just because they think they're doing the trials in a more righteous manner for some sort of difficulty props is beyond me. It's supposed to be just her or at least solo.... nothing cheesy about doing it bare and solo... just my read on the story of it all etc...

Agreed there's no cheesing it. Also I did the trials only with Shadowheart on one playthrough for RP reasons.