The investigation to see if the swamp is a swamp is a stupidly hard roll.

[Martin]

You need to get a 20. So you need to have at least 10 intelligence, which essentially means you either need to be a Sorc or Wizard, or you're wasting points on character creation. Not an overly big thing.

It's a roll you cannot win otherwise. As you automatically get a -1.

So if you can't win, why offer it as a solution? It's just a waste of time.

[Djayc85]

Speaking to one of the "sheep" and passing the roll

[Dr. Sinclair]

... what is even the point of this post? there will be way more difficult checks than a 20, i've seen 30+
and seeing the swamp is an illusion isn't even necessary for anything
you're not supposed to pass every single check. You're not a master of every department.
Also - getting a 20 automatically passes a check even if you had -999 on your stat.

[nahti]

Just get the item that gives you 17 INT from the village before or buff your character ;)
The illusion is strong!

[Shinkiro]

Originally posted by Dr. Sinclair:

you're not supposed to pass every single check.

This forum is absolutely filled to the brim with people who cant accept any kind of failure or consequences to their actions, and things always have to go their way..

[Wiegs]

That's the whole point of the illusion, it would be pointless if anyone could see through it.
Also playing a druid makes this roll a lot easier with class advantage.

[parent child bowl]

You don't need to pass that check.

[Dr. Sinclair]

Originally posted by Shinkiro:

Originally posted by Dr. Sinclair:

you're not supposed to pass every single check.

This forum is absolutely filled to the brim with people who cant accept any kind of failure or consequences to their actions, and things always have to go their way..

at that point they should just download a cheat to always get a 20 and go on with their day.

[elbentzo]

Originally posted by Martin:

You need to get a 20. So you need to have at least 10 intelligence, which essentially means you either need to be a Sorc or Wizard, or you're wasting points on character creation. Not an overly big thing.

It's a roll you cannot win otherwise. As you automatically get a -1.

So if you can't win, why offer it as a solution? It's just a waste of time.

This is legit one of the silliest posts I've seen.
1. Giving your character more than 8 int is NOT a waste, even if you're not a wizard (I don't know why you mentioned sorcerers, who scale off charisma. You may as well have said bards or paladins). In fact, you just proved it yourself.
2. Even if you min/max and don't want to put any points into an ability score you're not going to use, you should know that you need to map out all necessary skills when min/maxing. If you're min/maxing without making sure you have someone in your party who can do each job, you're terrible at min/maxing and have no one to blame but yourself.
3. Like others have said, beating the check is not necessary. It's a bonus lore for people who want to be good at investigating.
4. There are other ways to beat the check, like speaking to the sheep, boosting your int with items, etc.
5. Finally, this whole post is incorrect. You can beat this check even with 8 int (and I'm not talking about a natural 20), because it's an INVESTINGATION check. So if you know how to ivnestigate, you get at least +2 from your profficiency bonus (up to +6 if you're level 5 and have expertise). So even with -1 from int, you can still make the roll without a natural 20.

Stop complaining just because you didn't beat a check or win an encounter. Compalin about legitimate stuff Larian can actually improve on and make the game better.

[=]

You don't even need to roll, just attack one of the 'sheep'.

[Steppenrazor]

why would a sorc have a 10+ int?

save only to avoid any -. (even then.. its kind of like why bother? beyond rp reasons.)

its sad but the only class who needs any real int is Wizard.

and well from what ive seen gale - sucks as a wizard. if i wasnt playing a wizard main - i'd still take wyll over him for spell casting.

[amills1]

You can get a bonus to your roll if you cast guidance on your character in advance.

[Gives Me Conniptions]

What are you talking about? It's a lovely forest, and that kind old lady even left some fresh apples to eat.

[Dr. Sinclair]

Originally posted by amills1:

You can get a bonus to your roll if you cast guidance on your character in advance.

you dont even have to do this in advance

[Oubley]

Originally posted by Shinkiro:

Originally posted by Dr. Sinclair:

you're not supposed to pass every single check.

This forum is absolutely filled to the brim with people who cant accept any kind of failure or consequences to their actions, and things always have to go their way..

I don't mind failure but +15 rolls are rampant in my play through. i've had to make 3 checks of 15+ though in some conversations. One being for strength and character was strength 21.

then there are things like you need +15 for pulling a dagger out of a piece of meat.

It seems broken.

Occasionally will get a need 10 roll.

I personally wouldn't mind a +20, it essentially be like we want this to be near impossible.

The rolls aren't consistent either. the stuff were needed multiple successful rolls came across more as "we want you to play this way" and not roll and live with your decision.

[Ivan the Gent]

There are many ways to boost you chances with this role. Even if you have 8 strength and no investigation skill:

Shadowheart cast guidance in advance, Lae'zel uses her ancestral knowledge to give her the skill for the day, Put on the helm of intelligence found earlier (17 int).

I have to advise you will need to get used to this kind of thinking and finding ways to work around. There is a point later where you need to make a DC 30 (my fighter PC has 8 int too) and the penalty for failure is a perm -2 to 3 different stats on one of your companions. But there are ways to lower the dc and boost your chances. I was fuming and calling BS at the point that happened but by the end of the dungeon i was thinking it all worked out pretty cool.