A very good reason why some people don't like this game

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Even tho real players and real reviews are overwhelming

Because this game is over-delivering above most expectations especially for game developers
Which probably very hard for other developers to duplicate a game with quality, art and contents as vast as this
Other than that the game is very optimized that even low end gaming rigs can run it at high and ultra setting with awesome graphic quality

Some developers lately turn into money oriented and only focus on what can create money the most while trying to avoid over-delivering contents (meaning cut costs, time)
Worst selling both the game and including micro transactions with mediocre quality
This is probably why over the past 2 or 3 years we rarely get a good and vast RPG

As a gamer or player I think reputation/ goodwill and trust is most important, as for Larian I anticipate their next release maybe DoS3 or BG3 expansion

Search for youtube "Baldur's Gate 3 Proves Modern Gaming is Getting Worse + Western Devs Attack Larian Studios Success", not mine but it's good as insight or eye opener

[Nightsbane]

Originally posted by ***:

You have twisted idea of monetization and I don't see your reasoning at all, you are trying to hard dude just stop it

You don't know the definition of monetization that's not my problem. If English isn't your native language I could understand that. You have access to google or a dictionary use it.

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Originally posted by Nightsbane:

Originally posted by ***:

You have twisted idea of monetization and I don't see your reasoning at all, you are trying to hard dude just stop it

You don't know the definition of monetization that's not my problem. If English isn't your native language I could understand that. You have access to google or a dictionary use it.

You can't even explain it lol, like i say just stop it you just embarrassed yourself

[Elazul]

Developers that complain about BG3 raising standards can get ♥♥♥♥♥♥. The game will absolutely raise standards and SHOULD raise standards. If anyone takes anything away from BG3's success it's that players HATE microtransactions and games that push monetization into single player full priced games.

[grumpstar]

every time a good game comes out teh industry takes a day aside to go ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and throw poop from their monkey cages. that is the highest mark of excellence. reminds me of the elden ring reception.

[Nightsbane]

Originally posted by ***:

Originally posted by Nightsbane:

You don't know the definition of monetization that's not my problem. If English isn't your native language I could understand that. You have access to google or a dictionary use it.

You can't even explain it lol

Already gave you the resources to use . If you refuse to actually look yourself you're getting blocked . I'm not going to hold your hand for you

[Nightsbane]

Originally posted by Elazul:

Developers that complain about BG3 raising standards can get ♥♥♥♥♥♥. The game will absolutely raise standards and SHOULD raise standards. If anyone takes anything away from BG3's success it's that players HATE microtransactions and games that push monetization into single player full priced games.

Other devs complaining are just projecting. Realistically not every game in modern times is going to be in development for 6-10 years or can't since there's not enough people / time and massive pressure to release products . Larian themselves almost ran out of money making this game because it took so long.

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Originally posted by Nightsbane:

Originally posted by ***:

You can't even explain it lol

Already gave you the resources to use . If you refuse to actually look yourself you're getting blocked . I'm not going to hold your hand for you

Just explain or just go, I don't care for troll

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Originally posted by Elazul:

Developers that complain about BG3 raising standards can get ♥♥♥♥♥♥. The game will absolutely raise standards and SHOULD raise standards. If anyone takes anything away from BG3's success it's that players HATE microtransactions and games that push monetization into single player full priced games.

I agree what Larian do with their games is noteworthy

I trust the developer even more as they really care about quality and have passion with game they make

I'm looking forward to DoS3 or BG3 expansion DLC, game have potential and lv still maxed at lv 12

[maniacal<1>]

Okay, so MY argument to this whole 'Larian is making modern games right' nonsense is one simple fact; They took the engine and mechanics from their old game and just applied a Baldur's Gate finish.

If Larian was TRULY interested in showing the industry, the first thing they would've done is showcase some actual originality. Even if they didn't want to go the old top-down method and wanted to stick to what they were comfortable with, what part of Baldur's Gate's previous entries would lend someone to say 'Hey, let's do more barrels and boxes and environmental ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥!' Who wanted this?

Nobody, except maybe Divinity fans.

So they simply added it because it was already IN the coding. And why be so limited on character creation and customization, which virtually EVERY Dungeons and Dragons game has had since the old 90s PC games like ToEE or PoR? Limitations on their engine.

Whether you like BG3 or not, or whatever in between, you can't deny that they took virtually NO RISK outside of the lack of microtransaction. They pushed no envelope, revolutionized no CRPG systems, and bucked no industry standards except, again, monetization. Should they be applauded for this stance alone? I guess so, a little, but championed and paraded as if this game was some huge mould-shattering success?

I think people are over-selling this game just a tad.

EDIT: Plus, as more and more people are hitting Act 3, it's undeniable that the game is not finished. They cut out SO MUCH CONTENT to make their pre-Starfield release date and it shows. Even their most ardent defender cannot deny this with any honesty, the game is simply lacking outside of the first Act.

[Kai]

Not really, considering that they spent 4+ years with 400 people to develop this game, when a more traditional development can be done quicker. I'd say that all the money went into the game engine and voice acting, if not bug testing and fixing the massive amount of flags and triggers in this game since it's a CRPG and there's a ton of scripts to work through.

If it's not a massive team, but a single passionate developer, you could see them accomplishing similar levels without the cutscenes and voice acting like traditional CRPGs (just a top down view and characters speaking text).

Game developers just aren't built the same as their predecessors.

Then you have this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKtS-EK2D5o
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2420510/HoloCure__Save_the_Fans/

Just 1 dev, Kay Yu made the majority of the game, other people volunteered and helped out after it got massively huge. And it's still getting bigger. (He's a real game developer who's working on Holocure while working his main job at another company)

So yeah, I don't get impressed by any 'AA-AAA' devs, heck most Western devs don't really impress me much at all outside of the very few niche driven game projects like Rimworld and such.

If someone in their spare time and passion can put a fairly good indie game quality project over 1-2 years, with a living condition likely WORST than you have it in the West, then yeah we all have it way too easy in Western society.

The 'western' indie devs and their 'studios' tends to be a bunch of faux 'indie' posers sometimes, mainly because they've already sourced all their funding and technically isn't independent anymore, especially if they fall under a publisher.

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As player who played BG, BG2 and expansion since it first released I would say this game is definitely BG + more, the barrels and elemental reaction is just a bonus. BG is actually really much more simple especially BG 1 and this game has more. So this game deliver as BG + bonus on that. There is no monetization at all it is plain usual game you pay you get the game and you won't get more game with this scale with that money, it just baseless accusation.

Yes I know the complain about Act 2 and Act 3 looks genuine, but even so we still get a massive game contents that we never get before add quality graphic, take a note of that.

This is why other devs complained about how a quality game with massive contents can hurting other developers (Blizzard, Obsidian, Insomniac, etc.)

From https://mapgenie.io/baldurs-gate-3 Act 2 and Act 3 map still looks huge altho not as massive as Act 1, give the game some time to fix the bugs and polish it more. I still looking forward for expansion pack.

[Klax]

I think you may have just had what some people call an "Opinion".

[Nordil(Hun)]

Originally posted by ***:

As player who played BG, BG2 and expansion since it first released I would say this game is definitely BG + more, the barrels and elemental reaction is just a bonus. BG is actually really much more especially BG 1 and this game has more. So this game deliver as BG + bonus on that. There is no monetization at all it is plain usual game you pay you get the game and you won't get more game with this scale with that money, it just baseless accusation.

Yes I know the complain about Act 2 and Act 3 looks genuine, but even so we still get a massive game contents that we never get before add quality graphic, take a note of that.

This is why other devs complained about how a quality game with massive contents can hurting other developers (Blizzard, Obsidian, Insomniac, etc.)

From https://mapgenie.io/baldurs-gate-3 Act 2 and Act 3 map still looks huge altho not as massive as Act 1, give the game some time to fix the bugs and polish it more. I still looking forward for expansion pack.

I think Obsidian does not really deserve to be mentioned here, since they congratuled along with Bethesda to Larian. (Bioware on the other hand...:P)
If you liked BG1-2 try pillars of Eternity it is a very very nice CRPG, even though i have not finished it yet.(Started like 3 times, but each time something IRL made me stop it, and i forgot what happened where i was. So probably after i finish BG 3 it is POE then POE2, or continueing Wasteland 3 which is on hold, or restarting WoTR for the 4th timeXD)

But Outer Planets from Obsidian was a huge disappointment and a disgrace to them:(

[Krystalmyth]

Game looks super mid from here, I'm honestly waiting for a sale. None of the reviews really have much to say about the game at all, more a commentary on the industry which doesn't really tell me if the game is fun or not to actually play.

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Originally posted by Nordil(Hun):

I think Obsidian does not really deserve to be mentioned here, since they congratuled along with Bethesda to Larian. (Bioware on the other hand...:P)
If you liked BG1-2 try pillars of Eternity it is a very very nice CRPG, even though i have not finished it yet.(Started like 3 times, but each time something IRL made me stop it, and i forgot what happened where i was. So probably after i finish BG 3 it is POE then POE2, or continueing Wasteland 3 which is on hold, or restarting WoTR for the 4th timeXD)

But Outer Planets from Obsidian was a huge disappointment and a disgrace to them:(

Yup I played and finished all of them PoE 1-2, this is a really good game indeed tho short especially PoE2 much shorter than PoE 1 with expansion. Wasteland 2-3, Pathfinder KM and WotR definitely among my fave too.

I still enjoy outer planets tho spacer choice edition isn't optimized at all. Tho yes not near and as much as the other games mentioned.