nat20 fail?

[California is a 3rd World Hell]

on a 30 difficulty I got a nat 20. Shouldn't that mean automatic success?

[hannibal_pjv]

Seems that peopel are talking about different things.
Some talks about D&D rules and some talk about BG3 rules. They are different in some cases…

[Riverdusk]

Originally posted by chaos4u:

In several editions of the D&D rules, a natural 20 is an automatic hit on an attack roll, regardless of the opponent's armor class. This occurs in AD&D 1st edition,[1] 2nd edition,[2] D&D 3rd edition,[3] 4th edition,[4] and 5th edition.[5]

In D&D 3rd edition, a natural 20 is an automatic success on a saving throw.

Contrary to popular belief, a natural 20 is not an automatic success on skill checks or ability checks in D&D 3rd, 4th, or 5th edition. It is not an automatic success on saving throws in D&D 5th edition.

https://dungeonsdragons.fandom.com/wiki/Natural_20

But it is in BG3 from everything I've seen. So, not sure why people are in here quoting D&D 5E rules when obviously BG3 decided to home brew this one differently.

[Proper Skux]

Because we’re insufferable nerds, duh.

[Army of Optimists]

Originally posted by chaos4u:

In several editions of the D&D rules, a natural 20 is an automatic hit on an attack roll, regardless of the opponent's armor class. This occurs in AD&D 1st edition,[1] 2nd edition,[2] D&D 3rd edition,[3] 4th edition,[4] and 5th edition.[5]

In D&D 3rd edition, a natural 20 is an automatic success on a saving throw.

Contrary to popular belief, a natural 20 is not an automatic success on skill checks or ability checks in D&D 3rd, 4th, or 5th edition. It is not an automatic success on saving throws in D&D 5th edition.

https://dungeonsdragons.fandom.com/wiki/Natural_20

Thanks for quoting the rule!

Now for the other relevant part: In this game, Nat 1s and Nat 20s automatically fail and succeed everywhere they roll, including skill checks or saving throws. It's one of the many ways BG3 doesn't adhere to the 5E rules. It's like playing DnD with a first-time DM who learned by half-paying attention to Critical Role.

That said, it's a fun game. Knowledge of the 5E DnD rulebooks will hold you back almost as much as it helps, though.

[Proper Skux]

I mean, honestly the leap and weapon action rules make it a way cooler game than 5e combat wise.

[ChevyNoel]

A lot of people are arguing about tabletop RAW, and many have said this already, but I wanted to provide a source. Natural 1's and natural 20's only apply to attack rolls and death saves. Natural 1's and 20's applying to other rolls is just very popular homebrew.

https://www.sageadvice.eu/does-a-natural-20-mean-an-automatic-success/

I don't know about naturals in Baldur's Gate 3, since they have changed a lot of things and could easily be using popular homebrew rules for skill checks and saving throws.

[dulany67]

Originally posted by Clonedpickle:

Originally posted by Mikoto:

Unless you got a "critical success" no, you did not roll a nat20. If you get a nat20 it will be a critical success and then it can even be a 99 difficulty, it will succeed.

No it wouldn't. If a check outside of combat is higher than 20 and you rolled a nat 20 you won't auto success.

In BG you will.

[chaos4u]

yeah , having the rules posted lets us know what were dealing with ... so where on home brew turf, with a bent dungeon master ..

good things to know.

[Marosh]

Originally posted by ChevyNoel:

I don't know about naturals in Baldur's Gate 3, since they have changed a lot of things and could easily be using popular homebrew rules for skill checks and saving throws.

Homebrew. Most stuff in BG3 is homebrew. That is why using the official rule as an argument is pointless here (not directed at you).

If someone asks and someone answeres, then it is always in the context of BG3s ruleset.

[Makkura]

Originally posted by Marosh:

Originally posted by ChevyNoel:

I don't know about naturals in Baldur's Gate 3, since they have changed a lot of things and could easily be using popular homebrew rules for skill checks and saving throws.

Homebrew. Most stuff in BG3 is homebrew. That is why using the official rule as an argument is pointless here (not directed at you).

If someone asks and someone answeres, then it is always in the context of BG3s ruleset.

But having the original rules as context helps to differentiate and IMO should be generally interesting.

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

You didn't roll a nat 20 if it wasn't auto success. probably rolled lower and your bonuses jumped it to 20.

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

Originally posted by Clonedpickle:

Originally posted by cookie!:

never heard of this being the case ever before

Like I said it's up to the DM to decide that for higher checks people tend to go with the nat20 always crit success and nat 1 always fails. In BG3 Larian decided that if you're doing a check higher than 20 a nat 20 will still fail, the issue there is a nat 1 shouldn't mean auto fail or OP didn't get a nat 20.

You're spreading misinformation. Nat 20 succeeds any roll still.

[Marosh]

Originally posted by Makkura:

Originally posted by Marosh:

Homebrew. Most stuff in BG3 is homebrew. That is why using the official rule as an argument is pointless here (not directed at you).

If someone asks and someone answeres, then it is always in the context of BG3s ruleset.

But having the original rules as context helps to differentiate and IMO should be generally interesting.

Nothing against it and I agree. But that is not how this topic started.

[Clonedpickle]

Originally posted by GRVTSFat Bastard:

Originally posted by Clonedpickle:

Like I said it's up to the DM to decide that for higher checks people tend to go with the nat20 always crit success and nat 1 always fails. In BG3 Larian decided that if you're doing a check higher than 20 a nat 20 will still fail, the issue there is a nat 1 shouldn't mean auto fail or OP didn't get a nat 20.

You're spreading misinformation. Nat 20 succeeds any roll still.

Was thinking actual D&D rules not BG3

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

Originally posted by chaos4u:

yeah , having the rules posted lets us know what were dealing with ... so where on home brew turf, with a bent dungeon master ..

good things to know.

It was obviously homebrew when they changed how the races work and how multiclassing works.