nat20 fail?

[California is a 3rd World Hell]

on a 30 difficulty I got a nat 20. Shouldn't that mean automatic success?

[KocLobster]

Originally posted by Clonedpickle:

Originally posted by Mikoto:

You literally do not know what you are talking about.

You do not know what you're talking about. A nat20 passing with a crit success is only for combat, outside of it up to the DM. If you're doing something with a difficulty higher than 20 you can still fail it even with a nat 20. Though that should also mean rolling nat 1 shouldn't be automatic failure.

Originally posted by Marosh:

That is not how nat(!) 20 works.

Above reply is too you as well.

never heard of this being the case ever before

[Clientofwar]

Originally posted by California is a 3rd World Hell!:

on a 30 difficulty I got a nat 20. Shouldn't that mean automatic success?

Nat 20 means you automatically succeed on any roll. A nat 20 means no matter the bonuses, you win.

Not sure what other people are saying, but bonuses do not matter on a nat 20. Nat 20 means whatever the check was, you passed it with flying colors.

So either you're lying about your actual roll, or you got a 20 with bonuses added. If you roll a 20 without any bonus, you will automatically succeed at any dice roll.

Also the people saying the skill check was 30 and you rolled 20 know nothing about how D&D works. Bonuses DO NOT MATTER on a nat 20.

[Deleted *******]

in any DND game, the law of nat 20 cannot be broken.

If you rolled 20 without any bonuses you win, even if the requirement is 51205

[Proper Skux]

Originally posted by EternalFun:

in any DND game, the law of nat 20 cannot be broken.

If you rolled 20 without any bonuses you win, even if the requirement is 51205

This is a house rule but also a rule that every single table ever uses. It’s kinda funny in that regard.

RaW to 5e if you roll a 20 on a skill check but still don’t meet the requirements it’s still a failure.

[KocLobster]

Originally posted by Clonedpickle:

Cause it's 30 difficulty and you rolled a 20, still failed the check

Where are you getting this from?

[Hanby]

I had a check 30 outside of combat, i rolled a NAT 20, I passed, so what was your check that refused to accept crit succes?

[Clonedpickle]

Originally posted by cookie!:

Originally posted by Clonedpickle:

You do not know what you're talking about. A nat20 passing with a crit success is only for combat, outside of it up to the DM. If you're doing something with a difficulty higher than 20 you can still fail it even with a nat 20. Though that should also mean rolling nat 1 shouldn't be automatic failure.





Above reply is too you as well.

never heard of this being the case ever before

Like I said it's up to the DM to decide that for higher checks people tend to go with the nat20 always crit success and nat 1 always fails. In BG3 Larian decided that if you're doing a check higher than 20 a nat 20 will still fail, the issue there is a nat 1 shouldn't mean auto fail or OP didn't get a nat 20.

[Rain]

The nat 20 in this game is the critical success roll. The 20 you see is your roll + any modifiers, prob should let the roll animation play out fully to comprehend this.

[Mr.Hmm]

Originally posted by Clonedpickle:

Originally posted by cookie!:

never heard of this being the case ever before

Like I said it's up to the DM to decide that for higher checks people tend to go with the nat20 always crit success and nat 1 always fails. In BG3 Larian decided that if you're doing a check higher than 20 a nat 20 will still fail, the issue there is a nat 1 shouldn't mean auto fail.

A NAT 20 does not fail.

If you ever roll a NAT 20 you will see a CRITICAL SUCCESS Message, if you do not see it then what you rolled was a 20 AFTER the bonuses.

[SpaceHobo]

Must not have been a natty.

[jhughes]

Originally posted by Clonedpickle:

Originally posted by Mikoto:

Unless you got a "critical success" no, you did not roll a nat20. If you get a nat20 it will be a critical success and then it can even be a 99 difficulty, it will succeed.

No it wouldn't. If a check outside of combat is higher than 20 and you rolled a nat 20 you won't auto success.

In this game rules a Nat 20 is a Critical Success. I have done it and seen it done in a video as well. If you roll 20, you succeed. Fact.

[Clonedpickle]

Originally posted by Mr.Hmm:

Originally posted by Clonedpickle:

Like I said it's up to the DM to decide that for higher checks people tend to go with the nat20 always crit success and nat 1 always fails. In BG3 Larian decided that if you're doing a check higher than 20 a nat 20 will still fail, the issue there is a nat 1 shouldn't mean auto fail.

A NAT 20 does not fail.

If you ever roll a NAT 20 you will see a CRITICAL SUCCESS Message, if you do not see it then what you rolled was a 20 AFTER the bonuses.

Then OP didn't get a nat, I edited that in when you were responding,

[chaos4u]

In several editions of the D&D rules, a natural 20 is an automatic hit on an attack roll, regardless of the opponent's armor class. This occurs in AD&D 1st edition,[1] 2nd edition,[2] D&D 3rd edition,[3] 4th edition,[4] and 5th edition.[5]

In D&D 3rd edition, a natural 20 is an automatic success on a saving throw.

Contrary to popular belief, a natural 20 is not an automatic success on skill checks or ability checks in D&D 3rd, 4th, or 5th edition. It is not an automatic success on saving throws in D&D 5th edition.

https://dungeonsdragons.fandom.com/wiki/Natural_20

[ACS36]

Originally posted by Hollow-Enigma:

Nat 20 means auto success yes in dialogue too. No matter what number is required. But nat 20 means nat 20. If you rolled 18 and hit 20 because of bonus it does not count.

No, you're wrong. That's an optional home brew rule. It's not an official rule. All natural 20's mean in the game is you get critical strike damage. If you roll a 20 and the check requires above 21 or higher, you failed the check. Some checks are designed to be near impossible or very hard to get.

[A Wispy Willy]

Originally posted by ACS36:

Originally posted by Hollow-Enigma:

Nat 20 means auto success yes in dialogue too. No matter what number is required. But nat 20 means nat 20. If you rolled 18 and hit 20 because of bonus it does not count.

No, you're wrong. That's an optional home brew rule. It's not an official rule. All natural 20's mean in the game is you get critical strike damage. If you roll a 20 and the check requires above 21 or higher, you failed the check.

In 5e, yes. In Baldur's Gate 3, all natural 20s count as automatic success. Much like how a pickpocket roll will fail on a natural 1 even if your target roll is -1.