Where is Subtle and Quicken Spell?

[Kleinyre]

Yadda yadda, when leveling up my Sorcerer I noticed that I can't choose Subtle or Quickened Spell as a metamagic option, which I find incredibly absurd. They don't appear at level 2.

For reference, Subtle Spell is what makes playing a Sorcerer as a Social Caster VERY EFFECTIVE because they can hide that they're casting their spells which is what I was going for, but can't pick it. It doesn't show up in the selection.

Also, where is Quickened Spell? That's like the best meta out of their tool kit and it's just not there? What about Heightened Spell? Does that come up later in game?

Sorc is my favorite class and I really don't want them getting ♥♥♥♥♥♥ over, all these metas are powerful options which I usually take.

[Razorblade]

All spells in BG3 are effectively Subtle spells. No one reacts to your companions loudly yelling and waving their arms to get you 1d4 on your next speech check, and you can still surprise enemies despite screaming "Fire!" (in Latin) right behind them.

[Mr.Hmm]

I am a little confused, would Subtle matter in this game? its not like the enemy knows what kind of spell you are about to use.

I read what Quickened spell does and same question as above, you only take 1 turn to cast anything, there's no spell/action that requires 2 turns or more to be casted.

I dont know about Heightened Spell so cant say.

[Kleinyre]

Messaggio originale di Razorblade:

All spells in BG3 are effectively Subtle spells. No one reacts to your companions loudly yelling and waving their arms to get you 1d4 on your next speech check, and you can still surprise enemies despite screaming "Fire!" (in Latin) right behind them.

But the game says that with spells like Charm people can turn hostile if you cast them?

[Chaosolous]

Messaggio originale di -toErIpNid-:

Messaggio originale di Razorblade:

All spells in BG3 are effectively Subtle spells. No one reacts to your companions loudly yelling and waving their arms to get you 1d4 on your next speech check, and you can still surprise enemies despite screaming "Fire!" (in Latin) right behind them.

But the game says that with spells like Charm people can turn hostile if you cast them?

On tactician difficulties, yeah.

That's strictly to make the game harder for people who wanted a challenge though.

[Kleinyre]

Messaggio originale di Mr.Hmm:

I am a little confused, would Subtle matter in this game? its not like the enemy knows what kind of spell you are about to use.

I read what Quickened spell does and same question as above, you only take 1 turn to cast anything, there's no spell/action that requires 2 turns or more to be casted.

I dont know about Heightened Spell so cant say.

Quickened Spell specifically allows you to Cast a Full Action Spell as a bonus action, which you can then use your normal action for other things like Dash, Dodge. etc. That's why its powerful.

[Mr.Hmm]

Messaggio originale di -toErIpNid-:

Messaggio originale di Mr.Hmm:

I am a little confused, would Subtle matter in this game? its not like the enemy knows what kind of spell you are about to use.

I read what Quickened spell does and same question as above, you only take 1 turn to cast anything, there's no spell/action that requires 2 turns or more to be casted.

I dont know about Heightened Spell so cant say.

Quickened Spell specifically allows you to Cast a Full Action Spell as a bonus action, which you can then use your normal action for other things like Dash, Dodge. etc. That's why its powerful.

Oh, good to know.

[Kalephrex]

Messaggio originale di Mr.Hmm:

I am a little confused, would Subtle matter in this game? its not like the enemy knows what kind of spell you are about to use.

I read what Quickened spell does and same question as above, you only take 1 turn to cast anything, there's no spell/action that requires 2 turns or more to be casted.

I dont know about Heightened Spell so cant say.

Sublte spell in BG3 just specifically allows casting while in a Silence spell. Casting components are not really a thing so that's it's only use case anyways.

[Mizu]

They are still in the game, you just don't get them at level 2.

https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Metamagic:_Quickened_Spell

https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Metamagic:_Subtle_Spell