Why is there such a huge abundance of gay NPC couples?

[COWABUNGA]

is2g the amount of times I've passed by a couple of male NPCs and they very, very distinctly refer to eachother as their "husband" is getting a little silly. Like the two random gnomes that talk after you save the Drow from the cave-in. "I'M YOUR HUSBAND, IT'S MY JOB."
There's a lot of occurrences like this, and it just comes off as weird and forced. If it was natural they wouldn't feel the need to shoehorn in a random line about their relationship for the whole world to hear.

[WildOrchid]

Messaggio originale di Larry:

You've also got characters that seemingly were changed to be gay toward the end of development like Alfira and Lakrissa - In Act 1 they're nowhere near one another, never mention each other, Lakrissa openly flirts with the player tempting them into a meeting in Baldur's Gate yet in Act 2 Lakrissa and Alfira are in a relationship(If you save the gnomes and tieflings you'll see the interaction back in last light).

But the only lesbian couple you see, who are tied to the main story and Isobel and Aylin, that's it. And you can even kill them if you desire to do so and they become irrelevant fast.

Also wait, never thought of Alfira and Lakrissa being gay, i thought they were friends? I had no idea. Also Lakrissa, literally flirted with me in act 2 actually after I saved her. There was a whole scene of silence with her making heart eyes to my lady. I'm not kidding. lol.

[Expirium]

Messaggio originale di SAVE:

Does it really matter? No it does not. The story matters, not the genders or the identification of the characters. Also:

-It should feel normal that the majority of male characters are "evil". This is reflecting the real world.
-In a healthy society the percentage of straight/gay/ etc couples should be the same. This is not reflecting the real world. Real world society is not healthy.

This is strangely disturbing.. What? Why? In a healthy society? Where are you pulling this "fact" from?
Humans are twisted and the world is ablaze, yes.. but where on Earth do you get off on saying sexuality is the cure? Gays and what have you's can be just as twisted as any other.. Your statement is void regarding this particular matter.. Think.

[IndridCold]

Messaggio originale di Mizu:

Please name* 5 gay couples in this game. Should be pretty easy since you insist the game has a 'huge abundance' or them.

*Or if they don't have names/you can't remember their names give a descriptor about where they are found.

Two deep gnome ♥♥♥♥ couples right by the rubble you need to clear up to free the drow True Soul in the Underdark. One gay, one lesbian. Though you need to find the lesbian lover because she ran off hoarding the concentrate needed to blow up the rubble. She is clearly in a relationship with the other female gnome that wants her back dearly.

If you go to the Brothel(was it Shar's caress?) you can walk into the Nymph room and discover a lesbian True Soul hiring the nymph.

Aylin and Isobelle.

Raphael and his Incubus concubine. Yes, the thing can change shape but he is referred to as a he even if you have him flip gender as well as an Incubus quite explicitly. An ambiguous couple but would definitely fall under the queer umbrella one way or another.

[Hex]

Messaggio originale di ShadowDark3:

Messaggio originale di Hex:

It does when you realize I was being sarcastic in the first post you quoted. I was criticizing the "representation" argument.

I'm hugely oversimplifying here but I think when it comes to representation either you're someone for whom it matters, in which case "let's match the real world distribution" doesn't work, or you're someone for whom it doesn't matter, in which case everyone could be gay and lay eggs.

I think it comes down to if you're going to represent a minority, there needs to be an adequate variety of representation for that minority, otherwise it's just tokenism. But again, just my opinion on a rather complex topic.

If it doesn't serve a narrative purpose it by it's very nature tokenism. What's sad is people cheer for it.

[ShadowDark3]

Messaggio originale di Atticus:

What if there was an option to enable or disable LGB content? I know many NSFW games that already do this where they give players a choice on what content they want to be exposed to. I personally don't see this as a "hateful" option to give players.

Similar thing with the pronoun and gender controversies. Those who want the traditional template of male and female without modern day political additions, should have that option. Those who want the non-traditional template of body types as their alternative etc, should have that option as well.

If companies eventually want to add a list of pronouns like thim, zir, F ae, and Xemself, into games, then I am fine with that. As long as they show respect by giving different "communities" different options to choose from, then no harm no foul.

The more options for players to choose from the better. If companies want to be "progressive" like they say they do, they really need to do a better job finding common ground amongst all the different communities around the world. The cancel culture going on trying to label everyone as hateful is not a good thing moving forward, that is just my opinion.

But where is the line? If it's not hateful to have an option to only have he/she pronouns, would it be hateful to have an option that makes every character heterosexual? Make every character white?

The problem with toggling between "traditional" and "non-traditional" pronouns is that the pronoun choice is already an OPTION. You get to pick a traditional pronoun if you are so inclined. And as an aside, the vast majority of non-binary persons just use they/them. The "hundreds of pronouns" thing is a slippery slope argument based on niche tumblr posts. There ARE a handful of other pronouns floating around (fewer than 10) but are considered non-standard, as they/them is all-encompassing for non-binary people.

Allowing people to pretend that non-binary don't exist is not progressive. The argument that "these so-called progressive companies won't even let people exist in a bubble" is a non-starter. You are either progressive and inclusive, or conservative and exclusionary. If you feel excluded by inclusive options, that is NOT a lack of progressiveness from whatever is offering options that are inclusive.

[Hex]

Messaggio originale di ShadowDark3:

But where is the line? If it's not hateful to have an option to only have he/she pronouns, would it be hateful to have an option that makes every character heterosexual? Make every character white?

How does that affect your game?

If I download a mod that removes the Identity selector entirely, is your game ruined?

[Larry]

Messaggio originale di WildOrchid:

Messaggio originale di Larry:

You've also got characters that seemingly were changed to be gay toward the end of development like Alfira and Lakrissa - In Act 1 they're nowhere near one another, never mention each other, Lakrissa openly flirts with the player tempting them into a meeting in Baldur's Gate yet in Act 2 Lakrissa and Alfira are in a relationship(If you save the gnomes and tieflings you'll see the interaction back in last light).

But the only lesbian couple you see, who are tied to the main story and Isobel and Aylin, that's it. And you can even kill them if you desire to do so and they become irrelevant fast.

Also wait, never thought of Alfira and Lakrissa being gay, i thought they were friends? I had no idea. Also Lakrissa, literally flirted with me in act 2 actually after I saved her. There was a whole scene of silence with her making heart eyes to my lady. I'm not kidding. lol.

When you save Lakrissa in Act 2 and go back to Last Light Inn Alfira says she missed her and thanks you. Lakrissa will say you're attractive but if you're female she'll hold the gaze and zoom in on her face and then to yours for about 3 seconds a pop. Alfira flirts in reply when she catches Lakrissa. If you're a male character this doesn't happen(Certainly didn't happen to my character).

https://youtu.be/3V_z25z3tGY?t=28
(0:28)

If you interact with them after the initial interaction Alfira talks about how she missed Lakrissa and other stuff about them being together. If you stand by them idle they'll also talk about the house and garden they're going to own together. They also have idle conversations such as "Lakrissa: Why are you smiling at me? Alfira: I'm just glad you're safe Lakrissa: Uh-huh..."

[ShadowDark3]

Messaggio originale di Hex:

Messaggio originale di ShadowDark3:

But where is the line? If it's not hateful to have an option to only have he/she pronouns, would it be hateful to have an option that makes every character heterosexual? Make every character white?

How does that affect your game?

If I download a mod that removes the Identity selector entirely, is your game ruined?

It doesn't, because that's a mod and isn't built into the game. Anyone can do anything they want in their own copy, for themselves.

[Ruffio]

Funny, because if you consider the total number of characters/npc's whatever in the game else, the one you find is gay is a very small minority of the whole...

[Ryzilynt]

I think it's because the hormones they were feeding the frogs or something.

[Callirgos]

% wise it doesn't represent the world we live in, but I've never been a stickler for making games conform to reality. Faerun is just more like a theater school than other realities.

[Ruffio]

Messaggio originale di Callirgos:

% wise it doesn't represent the world we live in, but I've never been a stickler for making games conform to reality. Faerun is just more like a theater school than other realities.

idk, did you count every npc in Baldurs Gate? How many non gay ones?

[Hex]

Messaggio originale di ShadowDark3:

Messaggio originale di Hex:

How does that affect your game?

If I download a mod that removes the Identity selector entirely, is your game ruined?

It doesn't, because that's a mod and isn't built into the game. Anyone can do anything they want in their own copy, for themselves.

But if it's built-in it's some huge political statement and a huge problem. Unless of course it's something you agree with, then it's fine.

Your logic falls apart immediately. As usual.

[Kman]

Yeah apparently most of this games people are queer, in the real world it is what like 3 or 5% of the population? not sure, but yeah pretty sad how they are pushing this agenda in games now.

[WildOrchid]

Messaggio originale di Larry:

Messaggio originale di WildOrchid:

But the only lesbian couple you see, who are tied to the main story and Isobel and Aylin, that's it. And you can even kill them if you desire to do so and they become irrelevant fast.

Also wait, never thought of Alfira and Lakrissa being gay, i thought they were friends? I had no idea. Also Lakrissa, literally flirted with me in act 2 actually after I saved her. There was a whole scene of silence with her making heart eyes to my lady. I'm not kidding. lol.

When you save Lakrissa in Act 2 and go back to Last Light Inn Alfira says she missed her and thanks you. Lakrissa will say you're attractive but if you're female she'll hold the gaze and zoom in on her face and then to yours for about 3 seconds a pop. Alfira flirts in reply when she catches Lakrissa. If you're a male character this doesn't happen(Certainly didn't happen to my character).

https://youtu.be/3V_z25z3tGY?t=28
(0:28)

If you interact with them after the initial interaction Alfira talks about how she missed Lakrissa and other stuff about them being together. If you stand by them idle they'll also talk about the house and garden they're going to own together. They also have idle conversations such as "Lakrissa: Why are you smiling at me? Alfira: I'm just glad you're safe Lakrissa: Uh-huh..."

HUH..... that's something I didn't know. Wtf. I always perceived them as friends but I can see your point with the whole Alfira/Lakrissa. I thought Lakrissa does that to male characters since she flirts with you at act 1.

How did she behave in act 3 when you meet her in the tavern?