I keep killing Laezel

[Nutty One]

The first time was when she insulted my character when Laezel was stuck in a cage, so i let the tieflings kill her.
The second game, Laezel picked a fight with Shadowheart and lost, i didn't stop the fight. Laezel died.

I dont feel any remorse for Laezel, she even over reacted and was going to murder the entire party one time. Why is she such a bad character?

[Martyrofsand]

I've killed her in pretty much every playthrough as well. My farthest playthrough I'm a legit lolth-sworn drow who is just stringing everyone along as far as possible while forcing them to slowly break all their morals until they either leave or reject me and die.

For Lae I got through the whole issue with Shadowheart and got to the creche.

That is where she died when she tried to force me to follow her queen and said if I didn’t obey she would kill me and my party. It didn't work out for her.

It's fun to push those red lines and the reactions she gave as I royally mind ♥♥♥♥♥♥ her through the entire creche up to her breaking point was great. So far it was easily my favorite way to break and kill her.

Wonder what other horrible methods of torment I can cook up for her.

[Hollow-Enigma]

Lae'zel is a very accurate representation of her race. Pretty much all gith would treat any other race that way. But as you adventure with her that dynamic is what changes. This growth is what made her so likable by the end.

Turning her from someone indoctrinated to live and die by the whims of her tyrannical ruler. Into someone who thinks for herself more than even her own people.

Astarion is in a similar boat.

[Teddy]

Originally posted by (ง ͡ʘ ͜ʖ ͡ʘ)งBonesMcSpook:

What is character development?
If you leave her behind she never has a chance to change dumbo. The entirety of the game does not play out in act 1.

This.

Character development OP...

[Xenomorph Kitty]

Originally posted by Nutty One:

Well i get that many people love or put up with Laezel's behavior because she is female. The same players likely would sing a different tune if she was a he. The point I am trying to make is in the game, the roleplay, Laezel is clearly a very crude character that in my play so far , making decisions for my characters, Laezel dies often because of her rude, elitist, racist , toxic masculine traits.

I remember when early access first came out, Shadowheart was insufferably rude and aggressive toward the player character, it was almost impossible to roleplay nice with her. I think Larian recognized that and completely changed Shadowheart's character, for better or worse is up to opinions.

Laezel though is just the biggest a$$ of the party in a big way, that much is clear. It will be fun playing different characters and styles, and keep Laezel alive but otherwise Laezel just...isn't worth it to keep around often and the other characters seem to agree in the early story.

Thanks for the discussion, some great comments.

Please don't speak for me. I'd like Lae'zel even if she was male and still try to see what development she has. Early agreements or disagreements mean nothing in the long haul. The gender of a character certainly has nothing to do with it either.

You've not really read or understood why she's the way she is from the people like myself that actually bothered to try to understand her.

[Meowella]

Originally posted by Nutty One:

The first time was when she insulted my character when Laezel was stuck in a cage, so i let the tieflings kill her.
The second game, Laezel picked a fight with Shadowheart and lost, i didn't stop the fight. Laezel died.

I dont feel any remorse for Laezel, she even over reacted and was going to murder the entire party one time. Why is she such a bad character?

Needs must when the devil drives.

Lae'zel is a living embodiment of being forced to take a bad deal - the loan shark, the mafia, or dating someone because you need help to pay rent - doing things that you know are bad but you do anyway because the alternative is worse (at the time).

it's great that you feel your character doesn't need Lae'zel because there are plenty of other companions, but imagine if the game offered you only Lae'zel, Astorian and Gale and said you either accept them as they are, of you fight alone?

Lae'zel is a well-written character from an alien race hailing from another plane that is there to make you suffer if you need her.

[[Wahr] Eogard]

She's a dead ♥♥♥♥ and I killed all the Creche so she feels less lonely in the afterlife.

[Lord Adorable]

Originally posted by Wahr Eogard:

She's a dead ♥♥♥♥ and I killed all the Creche so she feels less lonely in the afterlife.

One of the reasons why I killed Shadowheart was so she could really embody the "Pain" & 'Loss' aspect of her F-tier goddess. =D

And because every other Sharran I had encountered up to that point were already dead. If there's any that are still alive in the game I,ll be sure to correct that mistake. :O

[6h0$t942]

I killed astarion pretty quickly in the initial release. He does try to gut you, after all

[Firelock]

In my first playthrough, when she attacks you on the nautiloid ship, I was looking for the option to kill her. I get why Larian put her in the game, but I bet this is going to be like Ash vs Kaiden and manyt people are going to wind up doing the same thing and killing her.

[ZexXx]

Originally posted by Nutty One:

The first time was when she insulted my character when Laezel was stuck in a cage, so i let the tieflings kill her.
The second game, Laezel picked a fight with Shadowheart and lost, i didn't stop the fight. Laezel died.

I dont feel any remorse for Laezel, she even over reacted and was going to murder the entire party one time. Why is she such a bad character?

She is literally my strongest melee fighter, I mostly ignore her when she speaks though. It's funny because she never actually left my party or does anything other than a few harsh words but what isn't harsh with her? I stopped Shadowheart from killing her, she got beat. it was enough :-)

I pushed Asterion off the cliff and Gale was too needy. So I have her, Shadowheart and Wyll. Halsin too but didn't use him much since he doesn't have speak to animals for some reason and my group was pretty solid by that stage.

[Blackcobalt]

Originally posted by Nutty One:

The first time was when she insulted my character when Laezel was stuck in a cage, so i let the tieflings kill her.
The second game, Laezel picked a fight with Shadowheart and lost, i didn't stop the fight. Laezel died.

I dont feel any remorse for Laezel, she even over reacted and was going to murder the entire party one time. Why is she such a bad character?

Don't feel bad. I keep killing everyone I meet.

[Bad Brad]

I love Lazael. She's a great character. I made her a Berserker and she crushes

[Drakanoth, One]

Originally posted by ZexXx:

Originally posted by Nutty One:

The first time was when she insulted my character when Laezel was stuck in a cage, so i let the tieflings kill her.
The second game, Laezel picked a fight with Shadowheart and lost, i didn't stop the fight. Laezel died.

I dont feel any remorse for Laezel, she even over reacted and was going to murder the entire party one time. Why is she such a bad character?

She is literally my strongest melee fighter, I mostly ignore her when she speaks though. It's funny because she never actually left my party or does anything other than a few harsh words but what isn't harsh with her? I stopped Shadowheart from killing her, she got beat. it was enough :-)

I pushed Asterion off the cliff and Gale was too needy. So I have her, Shadowheart and Wyll. Halsin too but didn't use him much since he doesn't have speak to animals for some reason and my group was pretty solid by that stage.

I didn't let the fight happen but imagining Lae'zel getting her ass handed to her by a priest is just hilarious.

[The Sundance Kid]

Originally posted by Seri:

You've not really read or understood why she's the way she is from the people like myself that actually bothered to try to understand her.

So you're using out-of-character knowledge (e.g.; the idea that she is a character in a story that will likely develop over time) to keep your in-character actions as levelheaded as possible in the hopes of steering her down a better path.

In the business, we call this 'metagaming.' I seriously doubt you're playing a monastic with the patience of a Saint and the inability to make errors of emotional judgment; you're letting *you* dictate their actions, not the personality of your character, a choice that doesn't come from a place of genuine care for Laezel, but more from a place of curiosity in seeing how she'll turn out. Seeing that she develops in a way *you* personally like, you take offense to other people disagreeing with your point that they should at least *try* to appeal to her.

I did - in character, that is. I was rejected several times, so... Okay. That's her choice, and my character would gladly toss her aside. Same with Shadowheart; I tried to appeal to her trust, and despite saving her life multiple times, she refuses to regard me with anything other than suspicion.

My character doesn't travel with either of them, now; funny thing is, most normal, level-headed people would make this decision if met with these sorts of personalities in real life. 'The potential for character development' does not make a good excuse for stupidly keeping people in your company who are both keeping what are *clearly* harmful secrets from you, and who regard you with outright contempt.

If you *are* playing the paragon of Lawful Good judgement-of-character and absolutely perfect emotional maturity and social acumen, then I suppose more power to you, but from the holier-than-thou tone your responses have taken, I can only assume you're projecting more of *yourself* into the character (read; self-insertion, the ultimate writer no-no) than you're allowing yourself to play a *character.*

Is there a more personal reason why you're so heavily invested in someone who makes it their mission to let you know they despise you? I notice out of your entire response, you seem to focus more on the fact that the poster brought up the 'women get better treatment' issue than anything else, so... Logic dictates that struck a chord much closer to home than you're comfortable with confronting.

[Xenomorph Kitty]

Originally posted by Kupoinicus:

Originally posted by Seri:

You've not really read or understood why she's the way she is from the people like myself that actually bothered to try to understand her.

So you're using out-of-character knowledge (e.g.; the idea that she is a character in a story that will likely develop over time) to keep your in-character actions as levelheaded as possible in the hopes of steering her down a better path.

In the business, we call this 'metagaming.' I seriously doubt you're playing a monastic with the patience of a Saint and the inability to make errors of emotional judgment; you're letting *you* dictate their actions, not the personality of your character, a choice that doesn't come from a place of genuine care for Laezel, but more from a place of curiosity in seeing how she'll turn out. Seeing that she develops in a way *you* personally like, you take offense to other people disagreeing with your point that they should at least *try* to appeal to her.

I did - in character, that is. I was rejected several times, so... Okay. That's her choice, and my character would gladly toss her aside. Same with Shadowheart; I tried to appeal to her trust, and despite saving her life multiple times, she refuses to regard me with anything other than suspicion.

My character doesn't travel with either of them, now; funny thing is, most normal, level-headed people would make this decision if met with these sorts of personalities in real life. 'The potential for character development' does not make a good excuse for stupidly keeping people in your company who are both keeping what are *clearly* harmful secrets from you, and who regard you with outright contempt.

If you *are* playing the paragon of Lawful Good judgement-of-character and absolutely perfect emotional maturity and social acumen, then I suppose more power to you, but from the holier-than-thou tone your responses have taken, I can only assume you're projecting more of *yourself* into the character (read; self-insertion, the ultimate writer no-no) than you're allowing yourself to play a *character.*

Is there a more personal reason why you're so heavily invested in someone who makes it their mission to let you know they despise you? I notice out of your entire response, you seem to focus more on the fact that the poster brought up the 'women get better treatment' issue than anything else, so... Logic dictates that struck a chord much closer to home than you're comfortable with confronting.

Thanks for the psyche eval Freud. ^^