Clerics

[Redacted]

Just out of curiosity, the stats they released today had clerics as the lowest class chosen. I know I won't get a majority explanation here, but just some examples or ideas why that would be the case? I chose a life domain cleric and am having a blast being a healer for my party. Obviously, this is personal preference. As it would be for why people DIDN'T chose cleric. Just wanted peoples' thoughts on this...

[BigRockWall]

Originally posted by morrganstain:

You disprove your own statement because to justify your point that bards are a fully martial class you went and made a multiclass with a martial class. XD

A pure bard does more sustained damage per turn than a pure rogue, which is the class i multiclassed into. That math exists above too.

[Blame]

Originally posted by morrganstain:

Originally posted by Blame:

The question is why people DON'T play cleric, and most people don't think about specifically "I want spellcaster that can change spells on a whim with heavy armor and good at perception checks" or whatever.
There are the more appealing options of Paladin, Wizard, Sorcerer, Warlock, etc. Cleric is not the popular choice, as the statistics display.

The question I was replying to was the one I quoted. (You can easily tell since its included in the post) ;)

Then the "question" that you replied to was a rhetorical one. :)

[Cosmo 🐲]

Originally posted by Redacted:

Just out of curiosity, the stats they released today had clerics as the lowest class chosen. I know I won't get a majority explanation here, but just some examples or ideas why that would be the case? I chose a life domain cleric and am having a blast being a healer for my party. Obviously, this is personal preference. As it would be for why people DIDN'T chose cleric. Just wanted peoples' thoughts on this...

I respecced Shadowheart to life, and i choose Wizard for my first playthrough, i like the utility this gives me.

[AutumnWolf]

Originally posted by Hobocop:

Because Shadowheart is in the game and is the first permanent companion you can recruit through natural progression, so most folks feel like doubling up on that class isn't necessary or desirable.

I also feel like there's a stigma around clerics with them only being healbots (which many may or may not enjoy) when they can be so much more than that, regardless of domain, especially in 5e.

But shes not of the life domain

[Mr.Hmm]

That's cause i am still in my first playthrough with my buddy in Co-Op and i picked Paladin.

I am planning either a War Cleric or Tempest Cleric or Sorcerer/Wizard for second playthrough as Drow.

[❃ Galiäna Krüger ❃]

Originally posted by Redacted:

Just out of curiosity, the stats they released today had clerics as the lowest class chosen. I know I won't get a majority explanation here, but just some examples or ideas why that would be the case? I chose a life domain cleric and am having a blast being a healer for my party. Obviously, this is personal preference. As it would be for why people DIDN'T chose cleric. Just wanted peoples' thoughts on this...

TBH I didn't even get to create my character....mostly blindsided by which race to choose then accidentally progress through customization point and stuck using Karlach lawd

But back to the cleric being least used as main because Shadowheart is clearic by default and I'm still on my 1st playthrough so idk if anything you choose during prologue matters who you initially start adventure with (guardian maybe?) - IMO its not a good combo to have 2 clerics in a party need more damage.

I currently runs Karlach, Shadowheart, A bard from random public stuck in my party and can't removed from I accidentally turn on multiplayer and Fighter (Eldrich Knight) Lazell but she died so I summoned a ghost fighter instead.

[Sentient_Toaster]

Funny thing is, if you wanted to run an all-one-class party in tabletop, cleric is consistently one of the top picks if not *the* top pick.

BG3 doesn't implement all the subclasses, so it's not like you can have a party of Forge, Twilight, Peace and Light, say. (althoguh modders have given it a go, e.g. https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/432 ), but it is a class that suffers a lot less from redundancy than, say, rogues (one resource-free skill specialist can be great, but the value of a second drops off very, very sharply unless a DM is specifically building an adventure to need that).

[Vorpal Spoon]

Originally posted by Kamiyama:

I hope Minsc doesn't creep on me.

Best character from BG2.

Wrong, everybody knows who the real mastermind behind Minsc was....

[Rez Elwin]

I don't usually play support roles myself. single player or otherwise, and while it is possible to have a more offensively oriented Cleric I still feel they are primarily a support class. Another part of the reason however is Shadowheart.

She is the first companion you get outside the tutorial and is already a Cleric, granted I think her subclass isn't all that good, but easy enough to reclass her to be something you prefer.

Though on that topic you could also change her to be something other than a cleric altogether.

[reylliam]

Originally posted by Sentient_Toaster:

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And Bless is a rather good early use of concentration -- +1d4 to attacks and saves for a minute, to three party members w/ a 1st-level spell slot can improve your success rates a good bit.

And then there is that staff that adds Mystra's Blessing to your Bless casts, doubling the bonus, and then even if you lose concentration on Bless you are still left with the Blessing (not sure if bug or feature...)

[Quillithe]

Originally posted by reylliam:

Originally posted by Sentient_Toaster:

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And Bless is a rather good early use of concentration -- +1d4 to attacks and saves for a minute, to three party members w/ a 1st-level spell slot can improve your success rates a good bit.

And then there is that staff that adds Mystra's Blessing to your Bless casts, doubling the bonus, and then even if you lose concentration on Bless you are still left with the Blessing (not sure if bug or feature...)

Not to mention the ability to bless people you heal. Doing something like mass healing word to give everyone two turns of bless that doesn't require concentration AND heal everyone as a bonus action is pretty great.

Though, does that work with Mystra's blessing? Not sure

Oh, according to wiki it's worded badly anyway

Thus, Mystra's Blessing is effectively equivalent to Bless but with an additional +1d4 to Spell Attack Rolls.

Maybe I shouldn't bother with it

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

In 3.5 I would have played a martial cleric happily, but I don't really understand anything about 5E.

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Originally posted by BigRockWall:

Originally posted by morrganstain:

You disprove your own statement because to justify your point that bards are a fully martial class you went and made a multiclass with a martial class. XD

A pure bard does more sustained damage per turn than a pure rogue, which is the class i multiclassed into. That math exists above too.

And rogues are a class with not all that great scaling. Now do your math for warriors and barbs. ;)

[⇧⇨⇩⇩⇩]

Originally posted by Blame:

Originally posted by morrganstain:

The question I was replying to was the one I quoted. (You can easily tell since its included in the post) ;)

Then the "question" that you replied to was a rhetorical one. :)

If "People don't usually like their main character to be a supporting class, and we already get a Cleric for our party anyway." is your idea of a rethorical question you are creap at phrasing those. XD

[Varanus]

I'm playing a sorcerer. But cleric was high on my list of maybes. Tempest cleric specifically. Interesting see monk so low. As for me, personally, the one class I would never touch would be bard.