Bring Back Twin Spell+ Fireball (stop ruining gaming experience)

[Sephiroth]

You developers need to learn that nerfing things ends up RUINING GAMES.

Look at Baldurs Gate 2. TimeStop, improved Alacrity, comet... (amazing)
The game is LEGENDARY TO THIS DAY.
I can and still do go back and enjoy BG2.

Lesson for the developers and balance team is stop nerfing things into the ground because you end up destroying the whole fantasy and point of the game.

Twin Spell worked with Fireball in the past AS IT SHOULD before you decided to nerf it. God developers really can suck the fun right out of the game with bad decisions.

Sorcerors are too under powered as it


Metamagic? oh but wizards still get Arcane Points.... yup.
Also metamagic should not be restricted to sorcerors it is something that should have been applicable to both wizards and sorcerors.

[/Uninstall]

"When you cast a spell that targets only one creature and doesn’t have a range of self, you can choose to double the spell’s level to target a second creature in range with the same spell (1 sorcery point if the spell is a cantrip). To be eligible, a spell must be incapable of targeting more than one creature at the spell’s current level. For example, magic missile isn’t eligible, but firebolt is."

source - https://www.5esrd.com/database/feats/twinned-spell/

Fireball does not fit the above description of a spell that targets only one creature. Use quicken instead.

[Interneteldar]

Sounds like a Skill Issue to me.

[Sephiroth]

Bro read the original post please. That is obviously after the nerf.

Twin Spell+ Fireball worked before the game was fully released.

[RamzaBehoulve]

D&D rules changed in 20 years.

And yeah, WotC knows Sorcerers need some love, they are working on new rules in 2024.

[doublejesus]

Originally posted by BigRockWall:

"When you cast a spell that targets only one creature and doesn’t have a range of self, you can choose to double the spell’s level to target a second creature in range with the same spell (1 sorcery point if the spell is a cantrip). To be eligible, a spell must be incapable of targeting more than one creature at the spell’s current level. For example, magic missile isn’t eligible, but firebolt is."

source - https://www.5esrd.com/database/feats/twinned-spell/

Fireball does not fit the above description of a spell that targets only one creature. Use quicken instead.

Yep you quicken 1 fireball to make it a bonus action and then you use your action to cast another fireball. Twinned is for haste anyways silly.

[/Uninstall]

Originally posted by Sephiroth:

Bro read the original post please. That is obviously after the nerf.

Twin Spell+ Fireball worked before the game was fully released.

Ummm...... no. This is 5e rules. Not BG3. So if it worked the way you describe before release, they were not following 5e rules. Now they are.

You can continue beating this same dead horse in as many threads as you like. You are going to get the same responses, and the game isn't going to change.

[AncientsLegacy]

Sorcerers are not supposed to get animate dead. https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/class/sorcerer

Fireball isn't supposed to work with twin spell, but it works with quickened spell

Larian had a lot of stuff wrong in EA

Although fireball is still only half the size it should be

[AzureTheGamerKobold]

Originally posted by Sephiroth:

Bro read the original post please. That is obviously after the nerf.

Twin Spell+ Fireball worked before the game was fully released.

As per 5e rules... it doesn't work so no you're wrong. Strength of Twin spell is being able to use two concentration effects at the same time. It was likely a rules oversight by larian who later fixed it.

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by AncientsLegacy:

Sorcerers are not supposed to get animate dead. https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/class/sorcerer

Fireball isn't supposed to work with twin spell, but it works with quickened spell

Larian had a lot of stuff wrong in EA

Although fireball is still only half the size it should be

Did you play previous DnD games? Sorcerors have always shared the same spell book as Wizards. This is not only Baldurs Gate I am talking about but also other DnD games like Kingmaker and WorR. IceWindale

Also I don't see anywhere in that link saying that is specifically 5E or not.

Finally is that link refering to pnp? or this actual game?

Because going from PnP to a actual video game means things are going to change. PnP never can be fully applied to a video game. It simply never works out perfectly.

[Iconoclast]

You shouldn't be able to quicken for 2 fireballs either, because you can't cast anything except a cantrip if you already used your bonus action on a fireball.

[.Master Jiren, The Strongest]

Originally posted by BigRockWall:

"When you cast a spell that targets only one creature and doesn’t have a range of self, you can choose to double the spell’s level to target a second creature in range with the same spell (1 sorcery point if the spell is a cantrip). To be eligible, a spell must be incapable of targeting more than one creature at the spell’s current level. For example, magic missile isn’t eligible, but firebolt is."

source - https://www.5esrd.com/database/feats/twinned-spell/

Fireball does not fit the above description of a spell that targets only one creature. Use quicken instead.

Yeah this is a 5e rule, not something Larian did.
Also, theres a rule that you cannot cast 2 spells in the same turn, no matter what. This is the actual reason why sorcerers are the most powerful casting class.

But it should be noted that Larian house ruled this away, if you cast haste on yourself you can cast 2 spells per turn, and 3 if you use quicken.

that means in a single round you can cast 3 fireballs. This means Larian actually did the opposite of what the OP is accusing them of. They actually nerfed a 5e rule limiting casters and made them even stronger, they also removed components except for verbal. You dont need a focus either. Really Larian did a lot to improve casters, i'm not convinced OP has even played the game yet.

[AncientsLegacy]

Originally posted by Sephiroth:

Originally posted by AncientsLegacy:

Sorcerers are not supposed to get animate dead. https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/class/sorcerer

Fireball isn't supposed to work with twin spell, but it works with quickened spell

Larian had a lot of stuff wrong in EA

Although fireball is still only half the size it should be

Did you play previous DnD games? Sorcerors have always shared the same spell book as Wizards. This is not only Baldurs Gate I am talking about but also other DnD games like Kingmaker and WorR. IceWindale

Also I don't see anywhere in that link saying that is specifically 5E or not.

Finally is that link refering to pnp? or this actual game?

Because going from PnP to a actual video game means things are going to change. PnP never can be fully applied to a video game. It simply never works out perfectly.

This is based on 5e, so it is using mostly that ruleset. Kingmaker and WOTR are not D&D games, they are Pathfinder. The link is to D&D Beyond and it is owned by WOTC and has the official 5e rules. Larian has changed some rules obviously for video game format, but that doesn't mean they have to match the non D&D games you listed. Icewind Dale is from another edition of D&D and those rules don't count anymore.

Yes, I have actually played all of those games except WOTR also.

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by .Master Jiren, The Strongest:

Originally posted by BigRockWall:

"When you cast a spell that targets only one creature and doesn’t have a range of self, you can choose to double the spell’s level to target a second creature in range with the same spell (1 sorcery point if the spell is a cantrip). To be eligible, a spell must be incapable of targeting more than one creature at the spell’s current level. For example, magic missile isn’t eligible, but firebolt is."

source - https://www.5esrd.com/database/feats/twinned-spell/

Fireball does not fit the above description of a spell that targets only one creature. Use quicken instead.

Yeah this is a 5e rule, not something Larian did.
Also, theres a rule that you cannot cast 2 spells in the same turn, no matter what. This is the actual reason why sorcerers are the most powerful casting class.

But it should be noted that Larian house ruled this away, if you cast haste on yourself you can cast 2 spells per turn, and 3 if you use quicken.

that means in a single round you can cast 3 fireballs. This means Larian actually did the opposite of what the OP is accusing them of. They actually nerfed a 5e rule limiting casters and made them even stronger, they also removed components except for verbal. You dont need a focus either. Really Larian did a lot to improve casters, i'm not convinced OP has even played the game yet.

Honestly the rules in the pnp rules of the past about 1 spell per round were never going to fly in 2023. Old pnp rules would never satisfy people when they already had better games. Lets just be real about that.

BG2. Was legendary for a reason I mean I can still pop back in there and have a wildly fun time. With a sorceror using timestops, improved alacrity etc.

That is how much fun we should be able to have in this game is what I am saying.

Even back then in BG2 melee warrors etc clerics all these classes could become seemingly all powerful.

Clerics HLA ... were OMG amazing still.

Warriors.... amazing. Whirlwind all day baby. with all those other cool abilities.

And being able to multi and dual class in the ways you could fking amazing..

dude back in BG2 we could have a bezerker 8/wizard 31...... that wis amazing... dual class potential you know.


Now this game is fun. I am not one of the pos people who are gonna lie. (of course im still in Act 1 taking my sweet time). But so far im having fun.

But I feel since have had both a wizard and sorceror in my party that the sorceror needs to be buffed up. That is all im saying at the end all this.


Give the sorceror more sorcery points per level. I mean im at level 5... I can only quicken 1 time... that sux.... and then again... twin cast does not work on fireball.. (made more more unhappy after seeing that).

Especially after I saw a twinned fireball about a year ago.

[Xigua]

I don't get why these freaks keep "nerfing" a single player game like if it was league or leyends or some mmo. Disgusting beyond belief.

[Recjawjind]

Originally posted by Xigua:

I don't get why these freaks keep "nerfing" a single player game like if it was league or leyends or some mmo. Disgusting beyond belief.

Way to revive a thread that's purely misinformation.
This game is based on 5e
OP wants the game to be in an entirely different ruleset.

If that's what you believe to be disgusting, I don't wanna know how you feel about coming up on a red light in traffic.