Attack\damage without weapons (unarmed attack) ???

[MONIFEST]

Some items have bonuses with the following description: "if the owner deals damage without a weapon ..." (unarmed attack). Obviously it could be fists. But, is magic damage work? Or the effect of the poison after being hit by a weapon? Or say fall damage? What the hell is this "damage without a weapon"?

[MONIFEST]

If, for example, I release a fireball that is attached to a staff, is it an unarmed attack?

[Cat]

unarmed attack is unarmed attacks, it's specifically used by the monk class in a lot of cases, magic damage is not unarmed, it's magic.

[MONIFEST]

Well, I did an experiment, only fists work. Tricks or magic = weapons, according to the rules of this game... The fists of a mad monk with which he can beat someone to death are not weapons. It's official...

[MONIFEST]

Why didn't they just write "attack with fists" since fall damage or poison doesn't work either........

[RhodosGuard]

Because Fall Damage and Poison are not attacks.
(Some) Spells are attacks, but they are not "unarmed"
Unarmed attacks is just DnD Lingo for Physical Attacks using your limbs.

And "Attack with Fists" also isn't entirely correct, because Monks unarmed Bonus Attack if you use a heavy Weapon is a kick.

[Cat]

Because unarmed is a specific damage type and refers to fighting without a weapon, elemental damage is just that, elemental, same goes for magic..

[MONIFEST]

Originally posted by RhodosGuard:

Because Fall Damage and Poison are not attacks.
(Some) Spells are attacks, but they are not "unarmed"
Unarmed attacks is just DnD Lingo for Physical Attacks using your limbs.

And "Attack with Fists" also isn't entirely correct, because Monks unarmed Bonus Attack if you use a heavy Weapon is a kick.

What? I intentionally push a person from a height, ATTACKING him, he falls, takes damage, and this is not an attack? WHAT? Does the magical world work according to some strange understanding of the word "attack"? That's about such nonsense and a banal misunderstanding of what the developer puts into words like "attack" or "weapon".

How about if I hit someone with a shovel? Is a shovel considered a weapon? Well, well, not with a shovel, with a PICKAXE? Are they not tools? In this world, is it a terrifying edged weapon that must be registered with law enforcement agencies? So how are my gifted hands of a magician so different from those of a monk?

"Arms of a magician you deal damage with magic blah blah blah"... and the monk only pierces armor with his fists? His abilities do not carry a magical supernatural nature?

There is only one answer, a miserable, terrible, totally short and slurred description. With the ability to interpret it however you like...

Or maybe in the guide section there is a section "types of damage (attacks)"? No? And why should the peasants understand how the damage mechanics are implemented here...

It's just annoying...

[Cat]

I'm sorry to say this but this one is entirely on you. I've never seen anyone who mistakes unarmed for magic, elemental or weapon attacks, it's pretty much always translated to fighting without a weapon, not making someone fall to their death or poisoning them either.

[MONIFEST]

Just write "damage from fists", it will be clear to everyone that this is for maniacs who beat people to death with their fists ... why all these veiled phrases ...

[MONIFEST]

Originally posted by Sunricer:

I'm sorry to say this but this one is entirely on you. I've never seen anyone who mistakes unarmed for magic, elemental or weapon attacks, it's pretty much always translated to fighting without a weapon, not making someone fall to their death or poisoning them either.

Have you seen at least one sword or spell with the postscript "magic damage" or "weapon damage"? Which I didn't see either. As for bare hands, the "unarmed" damage attribute is missing 2. We have damage descriptions in the condition requirements, but we don't have damage descriptions that could meet any of the requirements... great... definitely my fault.

[Quasimofo]

This is like 35 years of D&D rules. Unarmed attacks is damage you directly inflict with your body; punches, kicks, headbutt, monk stuff, Kung-Fu. If you push someone off a ledge the fall is dealing damage not your body. Your body is just the catalyst.

[MONIFEST]

Originally posted by Kaiju Atlas:

This is like 35 years of D&D rules. Unarmed attacks is damage you directly inflict with your body; punches, kicks, headbutt, monk stuff, Kung-Fu. If you push someone off a ledge the fall is dealing damage not your body. Your body is just the catalyst.

I personally have not played the board game, and I don’t know how old this rule is. And I do not see in age of the rule, the reason not to describe it, relying on general awareness.

All they had to do was add a little tip to the word "unarmed attack". Literally what you wrote "Unarmed attacks is damage you directly inflict with your body".

However, regarding the monk's attacks, their normal damage is not purely the result of "damage you directly inflict with your body"... He literally uses magic, which is somehow NOT magic but "unarmed attack" ... However, he can throw literally dozens of fireballs... Magicians only dream of such a thing...

Considering how many items drops with perks on an unarmed attack ... It seems to me that wizards, sorcerers and so on, pale in front of a monk. Just dead weight. (*which is bad in my opinion)

[Myth Alric]

It just means punching people. If you have a character that is a monk and your punching them in the face it applies. It isn't much use to anyone else.

[UnzipYourCat]

If fists are the only unarmed attack then why is Natural Pugilist trait (+1 unarmed attack) on a quarterstaff (Corellon's Grace)?

[wendigo211]

Originally posted by UnzipYourCat:

If fists are the only unarmed attack then why is Natural Pugilist trait (+1 unarmed attack) on a quarterstaff (Corellon's Grace)?

Monk flurry of blows and bonus unarmed attack can be used with a staff equipped.