The Worst Classes are (Tactician) ::::

[Fast]

Warlock
Wizard
Druid
Rogue

Ranger is kinda middling depending how you play it, so it could be in the worst list or somewhere decent with a very specific setup .

Everything else is pretty good.

TACTICIAN Tier List

S Paladin Bard
A Fighter Monk Sorcerer Cleric
B Barbarian
C Ranger Warlock
D Rogue Wizard
F Druid

[LordAnubis]

Fighter 1 / Warlock 7 / Sorcerer 4
Polearm Master and Sentinel + reach weapon
Opportunity attack anything that gets within your reach with advantage and stop them in their tracks. Then Eldritch Blast them back. Rinse, repeat. Laugh as they keep trying to rush you and get punished. Sorc levels are there for quickening EBs so you can EB three times a round (with Haste) for 9 beams + 45ft knockback or 4 times (12 beams) if you drop 1 level of warlock for a 2nd level of fighter for Action Surge. Warlocks are not weak. Warlocks are S tier when multiclassed. But then most classes are S tier when multiclassed.

[Fast]

Publicado originalmente por LordAnubis:

Fighter 1 / Warlock 7 / Sorcerer 4
Polearm Master and Sentinel + reach weapon
Opportunity attack anything that gets within your reach with advantage and stop them in their tracks. Then Eldritch Blast them back. Rinse, repeat. Laugh as they keep trying to rush you and get punished. Sorc levels are there for quickening EBs so you can EB three times a round (with Haste) for 9 beams + 45ft knockback or 4 times (12 beams) if you drop 1 level of warlock for a 2nd level of fighter for Action Surge. Warlocks are not weak. Warlocks are S tier when multiclassed. But then most classes are S tier when multiclassed.

specifically not a multiclass list because its incredibly complex and has a bunch of nuances. just pure classes.

[BigRockWall]

Publicado originalmente por Orichalkus:

The problem i see with that is, Almost all spells Bards have, Wizards do too. I looked at both spelllists and bards have like 2 good lvl 2 spells that wizards have not acess to, in form of enhance ability and heat metal. Everything else, Wizards have too and even more.

Though i do see the point that bardic inspiration and Magical secret is strong, they still have less variability compared to wizards. From what i see, they are basically a jack of all trades (who could have guessed) but master at none.

I personally prefer to have a balanced setup. Paladin and Ranger can both heal, Ranger also takes care of all the traps and has sharpshooter for good dmg. Wizard takes care of buffs, debuffs and aoe dmg, and then a last slot for whatever i feel like.
I now do see the point that you can theoretically have a pld and bard and have a similar level of effectiveness. I guess its just my preference.

Couple things I havent seent mentioned yet. First, bards get extra attack at level 6, which means 2 more attacks per turn than wizards get when hastened. Second, Bard can take 1 level of wiz and get every spell the wiz gets, while maintaining the extra attack advantage. 1 wizz 11 bard is the same as 12 wiz 11 bard.

Ranged bard dual wielding hand crossbows 8 bard 3 thief 1 wiz only misses out on 6th level spells, and can shoot 6 times a turn with advantage thanks to improved invis, which helps offset the sharpshooter feat providing +10 damage to all 6 shots.

[Wedge]

Martial classes being strong in this game format is normal. They can't actually let players use dnd casters to their full extent and they get nerfed like crazy. Devs also tend to not compensate them for this nerfing in other ways like giving back the 40d6 damage nukes.

[ownthesky]

Forgot to mention that beyond succeeding on rolls in conversations, the Bard has great dialogue as the MC and the dev's clearly placed a lot of effort into writing for players that choose it as a class.

[souljoker]

Lol, i'm playing on tactician right now and i feel the lack of druid in my party, i have a fighter battle master(lae zl) a sorcadin(my character), astarion(eldritch rogue) and gale. playing without haste and fireball would be horrible. The druid can fulfill the role of healer(reducing rest time)/high blasting, looking at my spore druid, if you position him well control caster, the druid has 2 other health pool thanks to wild shape, and he has access to different areas without needing specific items. It's not a class for solo, but it's a class that fill in the party in tactician mode. I would have played a druid if i care about what my party islacking in this playtrough, but i didn't cause i like my character the way he is.

[Orichalkus]

Publicado originalmente por Fast:

The Paladin is simply the absolute best combat class in the game, and can also deal with dialogue and dialogue checks easily. Is impossible to kill, has heavy armour and has no issues with any portions of the game whatsoever, it can yolo unga bunga the entire game you will never die you asre fully of self buffs and utility and you get control spells, and ofc DIVINE SMITE.

Whoops, sorry i worded that wrongly, i ment to say i have both Paladin and Ranger in my team. And as both can already heal, i dont need the extra healing from bard.

I just dont think its worth having a bard in the party, if you instead can have a wizard and a ranger/Druid, if buffs are so important might as well take a druid and you have wizard and druid to buff&debuff, while still having specilized rolls. You cant physically have a bard that can do int check or wis checks as good as a wizard or druid can. If you wanna have a main character then sure, with a lot of save scumming it works, but id rather just have specialised characters that fullfill their roles better while still having more options in general.

Palalock for face, Rogue1/Ranger X for dex and wis, Wizard for int. That team takes easily care of every ability check problem in the game. I jsut dont see a world where a jack of all trades is needed, if you already can easily have a person for every skillcheck in your party with room to spare.

[LordAnubis]

Publicado originalmente por Fast:

Publicado originalmente por LordAnubis:

Fighter 1 / Warlock 7 / Sorcerer 4
Polearm Master and Sentinel + reach weapon
Opportunity attack anything that gets within your reach with advantage and stop them in their tracks. Then Eldritch Blast them back. Rinse, repeat. Laugh as they keep trying to rush you and get punished. Sorc levels are there for quickening EBs so you can EB three times a round (with Haste) for 9 beams + 45ft knockback or 4 times (12 beams) if you drop 1 level of warlock for a 2nd level of fighter for Action Surge. Warlocks are not weak. Warlocks are S tier when multiclassed. But then most classes are S tier when multiclassed.

specifically not a multiclass list because its incredibly complex and has a bunch of nuances. just pure classes.

Nobody in their right mind would single class in Tactician which now makes this entire post pointless.

[Teddy]

Publicado originalmente por Fast:

Warlock
Wizard
Druid
Rogue

Ranger is kinda middling depending how you play it, so it could be in the worst list or somewhere decent with a very specific setup .

Everything else is pretty good.

TACTICIAN Tier List

S Paladin Bard
A Fighter Monk Sorcerer Cleric
B Barbarian
C Ranger Warlock
D Rogue Wizard
F Druid

WIZARD???? They absolutely own?

[MjKorz]

Publicado originalmente por LordAnubis:

Nobody in their right mind would single class in Tactician

Lmao. Larian games have zero tactical depth or challenge. I'm steamrolling your """tactician""" with a purely single class party (Battlemaster MC, Champion frog, Necromancer Wizard Astarion and Cleric Shadowheart). Nothing poses a challenge and my battlemaster tank is literally invincible.

You have never played a RPG with actual challenge, if you think this game poses any challenge on any difficulty to anyone familiar with the genre.

[Fast]

Single class parties absolutely own tactician probably moreso than multiclass because of how they scale enemy Ability scores and the power spikes that level 11-12 give you.

[Caramel_Clown]

The game is no that hard to warrant minmaxing, honestly. Tactician is only difficult if you play like a caveman. You can play it fine with a sub-optimal party and just enjoy the game. I lost maybe two or three fights so far, in about 40 hours. And that was because I wandered into areas that had way higher level enemies than my party.

[Orichalkus]

Publicado originalmente por LordAnubis:

Also if this game had PvP, my pure warlock would crush every martial class. That's truth right there. EB you back 15 ft, then move 30ft away from you. Good luck catching up while I keep EBing you down to nothing while you can't do anything. And if you do get in range? Hello Darkness my old friend. So yeah, pure warlock is not weak by any means. lol

Jump, BA dash, or just missed EB will ruin your strat.

Publicado originalmente por Fast:

Single class parties absolutely own tactician probably moreso than multiclass because of how they scale enemy Ability scores and the power spikes that level 11-12 give you.

Also, after thinking about it a bit, i realized that the thread was purely about classes while i was mostly arguing about comps. The Bard class alone is with the amount of use and utility they have for sure in S tier. Though again i would argue that Wizards belong in either A or also S tier, simply by having access to their entire spell list while also having really good Subclasses in divinity or necromancy. They are a force to be reckoned with in battle and are the only class that has a reasonable int scaling for ability checks. (personallly, id never go out without a wizard, they just bring too much to the Table)

[MjKorz]

Publicado originalmente por Caramel_Clown:

The game is no that hard to warrant minmaxing, honestly.

This. The very notion of discussing class tiers in larian's kiddieslop is a waste of air.

[Fast]

Publicado originalmente por Orichalkus:

Publicado originalmente por LordAnubis:

Also if this game had PvP, my pure warlock would crush every martial class. That's truth right there. EB you back 15 ft, then move 30ft away from you. Good luck catching up while I keep EBing you down to nothing while you can't do anything. And if you do get in range? Hello Darkness my old friend. So yeah, pure warlock is not weak by any means. lol

Jump, BA dash, or just missed EB will ruin your strat.

Publicado originalmente por Fast:

Single class parties absolutely own tactician probably moreso than multiclass because of how they scale enemy Ability scores and the power spikes that level 11-12 give you.

Also, after thinking about it a bit, i realized that the thread was purely about classes while i was mostly arguing about comps. The Bard class alone is with the amount of use and utility they have for sure in S tier. Though again i would argue that Wizards belong in either A or also S tier, simply by having access to their entire spell list while also having really good Subclasses in divinity or necromancy. (personallly, id never go out without a wizard, they just bring too much to the Table)

Sorc is a better wizard or warlock tbh

Metamagic too good.

Wizard having intel scaling is pure terrible