Strong women are overrepresented

[aramintai]

I mean, come on, could it have hurt devs to make Aelyn a male aasimar? Would it have changed anything for the story? No, but gotta have a strong giant female fighter main npc and a horny lesbian reunion.

Karlach? No reason she couldn't have been a male barbarian story wise as well. But you gotta have a horny (literally) strong giant female fighter for yourself as well.

And why play a fighter yourself when Bae'Zel is there to cover your weak ass on that front and she's superior at it as she keeps banging it into your head.

The only strong male of note is Halsin, but he's not even a fighter and is there to satisfy your furry bestiality fetishes.

My cringe level with leftist agenda in this game is reaching its peak already and I haven't even reached Baldur's Gate yet.

[Tomibouzu]

Originally posted by Sunricer:

Hey, Aelyn being a strong horny lesbian is FAR more novel than her being a giant horny straight guy, so you can take that back, she's great for being different.
And the same goes for Karlach, she's great as she is and very adorable, if you absolutely have to ruin my day by turning the girls into men then you can have Lae'zel, turn her into a skinny gith warrior for you to play with.

when everyones different noone is.

[Alex]

Originally posted by AirRevenant:

Originally posted by EASY AstroCat:

One thing I have noticed and I wasn't looking for it at all is that almost all the lore books you read have female protagonists. At first I just figured it was random based on the books I happened to read, but then it kept happening to a weird level.

I am enjoying the game but I'd be disingenuous if I said I didn't notice a very neo-5e "d&d" slant to the game's presentation. I'm not that far, not even close to actual Baldur's Gate I don't think. I avoided EA for spoilers and am still doing so, I'm not gonna read all posts, don't want to ruin the game.

But yeah it seems very warrior woman forward, to a point it's starting to feel a bit out of whack, and too intentional, not organic like it should be. I would be prefer a more equal balance of "cool" warrior/strong men and women so that the "power fantasy" can be enjoyed be all players.

Besides if you look at the analytics they released the story is there, the audience is not really some new "imaginary" group, it's mostly the as expected in reality, so nothing wrong with the majority of players wanting to feel represented, right? Representation, isn't that the end all be all these days of "neo-d&d", right? Or is it only selective representation, otherwise known as exclusion. Hmm... have to keep playing and see.

Games a lot fun so far...despite certain observations.

Observation - more women are working, more women writing what they know.

Not everything is a conspiracy. I know it gives big feelings to not feel represented at every turn, but times, they are a changin'

Some of the best male fantasy characters have been written by women. Problem is these days nobody is bothering to write those, instead they dish out strong independent women on an assembly line.

[Erylaria]

Originally posted by Amigo:

Originally posted by Lashane The Phantom:

why do you care so much tho

Ill rephrase this. Why did the devs care so much for them to be female?

because they discovered that women - big shock - have money and like spending that money on the things they enjoy. and - another big shock - you tend to enjoy things more when you can identify with them (as you are now, apparently quite painfully, discovering. how do you like it?). for decades, women were expected to accept straight, cis guys as "the default" and either identify with these male main characters or identify with female sidekick characters (soft, demure, often damsels - healers, mages, the occasional hot-girl ranger).

those times are over, and (some) men reeeeally do not like being on the receiving end of not being the default. get over it and suck it up, like we've had to for all these years. fantasy stories are not just male narratives anymore. the hero's journey can apply to anyone. if you can't adapt your fragile ego and thinking - leave. we won't be missing you. how does it feel when you suddenly feel you don't belong? sucks, doesn't it?

and for those saying "female melee fighters are unrealistic" - i dare you to come here and find out for yourselves how it feels to encounter a real life female melee fighter :) (also, those vikings and germanic tribes you're all so fond of - they had female fighters. anyone who could hold a sword was ok to fight. it was christianity that confined women to the domestic sphere. but that's a whole different discussion.)

[Gamer de esquerda]

Seeing stupid snowflakes crybabies like you crying about this feels me with dopamine. Thank you.

[Metadigital]

How is this thread still alive?

"Boo hoo all the D&D adventurers in my party are strong, even the femoids!"

It's pathetic.

[Carluccio]

Oh no, something that deviates from the past 1000 years of storytelling.

Everyone on Steam just so upset over everything. It's kinda snowflakey.

[DICEROLLADDICT]

This is fun and all but can we talk about how ♥♥♥♥ the ending is lol

[AirRevenant]

Originally posted by Alex:

Originally posted by AirRevenant:

Observation - more women are working, more women writing what they know.

Not everything is a conspiracy. I know it gives big feelings to not feel represented at every turn, but times, they are a changin'

Some of the best male fantasy characters have been written by women. Problem is these days nobody is bothering to write those, instead they dish out strong independent women on an assembly line.

I fail to see the "problem". I understand you are upset, feeling under represented.

Used to be male characters on an assembly line.

[Menagerie]

OP wanted a rough strong male lover and is stuck with Wyll as his closest option.

[donut32]

i hadnt noticed any wokeness since the games combat is such crap its hard to see anything else

[The Schleppin Device]

Why be so awful? This is nothing more than starting a flame war

[Alex]

Originally posted by AirRevenant:

Originally posted by Alex:

Some of the best male fantasy characters have been written by women. Problem is these days nobody is bothering to write those, instead they dish out strong independent women on an assembly line.

I fail to see the "problem". I understand you are upset, feeling under represented.

Used to be male characters on an assembly line.

I couldn't care less about being represented. I'm not like you people. I'm just saying it's bland.

[Lekker]

Originally posted by aramintai:

Bro, modern writers, good or bad, do not knows what a woman is. And even if they do, they won't dare to paper it properly.

So, they take a male (basic, default, Type1, BodyType A) character and make a woman model portray him.

They replace men with women, but all it does is erasing women and their struggles from the picture. Those are all men, with male power fantasy problems, with male attitudes and with men's thirst for women (lesbian romance).

And, for a fun fact: they can not even portray a feminine man properly. They may show us agressive men, weak men, whining men, cowardly men... But those are still men. Nothing femenine in that.

They literally do not know what a woman is. And if they do, pointing out differences will break modern femenism.

[ScareCrow]

If you seriously believe that women was the driving force behind everything in this world you are diluded, men was the number one workforce in armies women was always on the sideline, this is just some woke fantazy,

[Don't kill me]

It's a fantasy world, so it really doesn't matter. The storyteller (i.e. the game developer) peddles whatever imaginings they like, and then the listener (i.e. we, the audience) can do with it what we want. If you don't like it, fair enough. If you like it, fair enough.

As it is the fantasy world, the storyteller can do what they please.

It is a tough pill for A LOT of people to swallow, but females are physically weaker than men. That's just factual. They are known as "the fairer sex" for a reason. So, in this fantasy world, women can be as equally strong as men. It's a fantasy world, not reality.

The only time it becomes a problem (for me) is when the aforementioned storyteller starts trying to make subtle, or worse, blatant jabs at males. Such as making all men in the story completely weak, foolish and pathetic (**cough** Marvel **cough**).

I do get tired of seeing all females in fantasy represented as being either a) a healer or b) a femme fatale assassin.

But, this new trend of making any "masculine" female a lesbian, is also getting quite tiring. Why does every "strong" "masculine" female have to be lesbian? Annoying. The new DnD movie got it right with that female barbarian. I loved her character.