Any point in dagger rogue?

[GetUrAssToMars]

If i recall correctly in BG 1+2 there was an advantage in using daggers for backstab due to their multiplicative bonus to crit damage.

Doesn't appear to be the case anymore unless there are hidden mechanics at play? So far it looks like a no brainer to just dual wield another light weap like short sword. Higher damage and you get the same piercing strike + flourish...

Am I missing something here?

[Metallicus]

There are some cool daggers in the game. With sneak dice it really doesn’t matter that much if you roll a d6 or a d4 when you add in dex.

[RACHMANOVSKI]

Depends on the stat.

Phalar Avue is a FINESSE Longsword (lmao), it deals more damage, but Shortword is overall better since you can DW-it.

BUT, there is a hunter dagger that can make the enemy Ruptured. So when it/them chased you they take damage lol.

Also Susuur tree dagger. It silenced enemy. Good against caster.

[Gregor Clegane]

My rogue is using two dagger +1 and is a beast.

[guppy]

As long as the weapon has the 'finess' tag you can use dex to attack, if it's light you can wield 2 weapons doubling your chances of landing sneak attack.

Disclaimer: I've yet to play rogue in BG3 as I'm saving that for a multiplayer play though - the above is based on TT, but I dont Imagine they would change such a fundamental thing

[JoeAnarchy]

Originally posted by GetUrAssToMars:

If i recall correctly in BG 1+2 there was an advantage in using daggers for backstab due to their multiplicative bonus to crit damage.

Doesn't appear to be the case anymore unless there are hidden mechanics at play? So far it looks like a no brainer to just dual wield another light weap like short sword. Higher damage and you get the same piercing strike + flourish...

Am I missing something here?

Light weapons can be dual wielded, without a penalty, without needing the Dual Wielder feat.
Finesse weapons can use your Dexterity, instead of Strength, for attack and damage rolls.
Base Daggers are both light and finesse, so Rogues, who are Dex dependant, can dual wield them AND use their dex for the rolls.
i'm not sure if base shortswords tick both those boxes or not, and I know base longswords don't have either of those traits.
If you take the dual wielder feat, dual wielding Rapiers or scimitars is probably the best for rogues, as they're both Finesse, one does piercing damage, and the other does slashing damage. some enemies are resistant to one or the other.

[wendigo211]

Originally posted by GetUrAssToMars:

If i recall correctly in BG 1+2 there was an advantage in using daggers for backstab due to their multiplicative bonus to crit damage.

You're not remembering correctly. There was no bonus to backstab with daggers vs. any other Thief weapon. However, there were some good weapons like the Dagger of Venom in BG (applied a poison DoT) and the Firetooth Dagger (did the same damage as a bastard sword) in BG2. The advantage of daggers in the original BG games was that they could be used ranged and melee and the magical ranged ones gave you an extra APR in melee.

Doesn't appear to be the case anymore unless there are hidden mechanics at play? So far it looks like a no brainer to just dual wield another light weap like short sword. Higher damage and you get the same piercing strike + flourish...

Am I missing something here?

Not really, unless you find one with a good enchantment it's better to use other weapons.

[The One True Nobody!]

Originally posted by JoeAnarchy:

Originally posted by GetUrAssToMars:

If i recall correctly in BG 1+2 there was an advantage in using daggers for backstab due to their multiplicative bonus to crit damage.

Doesn't appear to be the case anymore unless there are hidden mechanics at play? So far it looks like a no brainer to just dual wield another light weap like short sword. Higher damage and you get the same piercing strike + flourish...

Am I missing something here?

Light weapons can be dual wielded, without a penalty, without needing the Dual Wielder feat.
Finesse weapons can use your Dexterity, instead of Strength, for attack and damage rolls.
Base Daggers are both light and finesse, so Rogues, who are Dex dependant, can dual wield them AND use their dex for the rolls.
i'm not sure if base shortswords tick both those boxes or not, and I know base longswords don't have either of those traits.
If you take the dual wielder feat, dual wielding Rapiers or scimitars is probably the best for rogues, as they're both Finesse, one does piercing damage, and the other does slashing damage. some enemies are resistant to one or the other.

Shortswords and scimitars are both "light" and "finesse," 1d6 weapons. This is true in Player's Handbook as well. But I believe they have different special attacks from proficiency.

They have different damage types though (shortsword is piercing) and scimitars are a different weapon proficiency set from daggers and shortswords.

This is one of those areas where 5e is a bit too simple.