Am I the baddy (I'm pretty sure it's Nettie!)

[|Nick]

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She wants to force you to swear something and tries to kill you if you dont want to swear it. I think this is wrong. You shouldnt kill someone because he/she didnt want to make a promise. Thats realy entitled. Tbh, the game frames not swearing as a selfish/evil decision with "No, I dOnT wAnT tO dIe11!!" and the reasoning behind her decision to attack you is understandable, since she seems to think that you have no problem in killing everyone of her people when you turn, but still, I think she is the baddy in this situation. You dont owe anyone an oath, no one is entitled to get one from you, no matter the topic.

Not swearing something doesnt mean opposing the idea or not killing yourself when you turn. Shadowheart just told me in my playthrough she would probably kill me if turn, so theres no need to killmyself just because I might turn. In this situation you dont know when you turn, you could just have an headache and killyourself just out of precaution, which would be kinda stupid. It's an extremly complicated situation.

But Nettie cant accept a no because she is so worried about her ppl, (not knowing that I'm about to leave btw). So she basicly doesnt know anything, doesnt see the whole picture or understands it, cant accept a "no" and puts herself above the life of another person just after talking to him/her for about 2 minutes and even realizing he/she is a good person (thats what she said to me in my playthrough).
I'm pretty sure shes the baddy

Good intentions are the opposite of well done, her intentions are good, her action is the ultimate evil (murder).

TLDR:
You dont owe anyone an oath/promise, and if someone wants to frame you to be evil for not providing one thats gaslighting and murder is bad even if you think you do it for good reaseons.


And yet I fell guilty for defending my life from a murderer. Am I the baddy after all or just to compassionate?

[siren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToKcmnrE5oY

[|Nick]

Yeah, thats exactly what I was thinking

[0utlaw]

Well this is one of those situations where I like the writing, it's morally ambiguous because you both have good intentions and reasoning, she's willing to commit evil to save her people, you're willing to risk turning evil to find a cure. If you're honest with her and tell her no, there are some consequences. You're not supposed to feel good about being honest, that's why it's the difficult choice.

[Sollidottingen]

That's how people work. People can do horrible things with the best intentions and people can do good things with the best intentions.

She's trying her best and her reasoning is flawed, just like people are.

[IRMcG]

She's right though, as far as she knows you'll turn into a squidboy and munch on druid brains at any moment. At least she's willing to trust you to do the right thing when you prove yourself trustworthy.

[|Nick]

Originally posted by Sollidottingen:

That's how people work. People can do horrible things with the best intentions and people can do good things with the best intentions.

She's trying her best and her reasoning is flawed, just like people are.

Yeah I'm kinda sorry that I killed her. But thats on her and her resposibility

Originally posted by IRMcG:

She's right though, as far as she knows you'll turn into a squidboy and munch on druid brains at any moment.

Thats what she ASSUMES with the very limited amount of information she has.
And declining to swear to kill yourself immediatly when you start coughing (which is a symptom aswell, I mean lets face it, we dont know what symptoms are related to becoming Tadeus ) doesnt mean you are unwilling to get killed when you go full watermindman.

[Big Iron]

Nettie is a baddie. She doesnt try or suggest even one thing to try and save you. She just immediately thinks of killing you. Shes not "doing her best", shes not even trying. Shes just a religious zealot like Kagha.

[|Nick]

Originally posted by Mystic:

Nettie is a baddie. She doesnt try or suggest even one thing to try and save you. She just immediately thinks of killing you. Shes not "doing her best", shes not even trying. Shes just a religious zealot like Kagha.

Agreed.
As I wrote in my post:
Good intentions are the opposite of well done, her intentions are good, her action is the ultimate evil (murder).

[Sollidottingen]

Originally posted by |Nick:

Originally posted by Mystic:

Nettie is a baddie. She doesnt try or suggest even one thing to try and save you. She just immediately thinks of killing you. Shes not "doing her best", shes not even trying. Shes just a religious zealot like Kagha.

Agreed.
As I wrote in my post:
Good intentions are the opposite of well done, her intentions are good, her action is the ultimate evil (murder).

Even murder has degrees. Would you kill 1 person to save 1000 people?

[Gaius]

Then say no, she attacks you and you kill her in self defense.

[|Nick]

Originally posted by Sollidottingen:

Even murder has degrees. Would you kill 1 person to save 1000 people?

Probably not. I think in Philosophy 1 life is worth as much as 1000 lifes.
If 1 life has infinite worth, you cannot do classical math anymore saying 1000 infinities are more than 1 infinity

[Makkura]

In this thread: people are arguing about morals, when they apparently don't know the in-lore fear of proper mind flayers.

[Sollidottingen]

Originally posted by |Nick:

Originally posted by Sollidottingen:

Even murder has degrees. Would you kill 1 person to save 1000 people?

Probably not

Then you murdered 1000 people instead of just 1 by your inaction. That's both evil and cowardice.

[Sollidottingen]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem

[|Nick]

Originally posted by Sollidottingen:

Then you murdered 1000 people instead of just 1 by your inaction. That's both evil and cowardice.

Inaction is passive, action active. So I can be an active killer or a passive one. Id rather take the passive then.