Dame Aylin might be the most annoying Character in the history of D&D

[Maverick56]

Like I don't know who wrote her, and I'll try not to spoil anything but HOLY CRAP.

From the moment you save her, she flips a switch goes full main character mode, steals the spotlight, and then when all is said and done...she bashes you over the head with the subtlety and tact of a wrecking ball, and basically is like "Hey guess what, I'm a lesbian, do you wanna see how lesbian I am? No? Too bad!"

She is unkillable, so you can't just be like "Nah I'm good" *wooden stake to the heart*

She both acts superior (due to story spoilers) but also totally useless (We have to free her like 3 times).

And her story is inexplicably tied to the MAIN STORY (and Shadowhearts) SO YOU ARE FORCED TO DEAL WITH HER.


Edit 1: To all the people who are calling me a Homophobe. Notice how I have...no issue with Isobel? Because she acts like a normal person...

Edit 2: "Well she was locked in a prison and forced to die for hundreds of years" is not a defense for her being annoying. You can easily make a character have tragic, emotional, and difficult motivations, without making them annoying.

[Ashuran]

Origineel geplaatst door Ałex:

My only problem with her is how unbelievably uselessly ♥♥♥♥ she is in the Ketheric Thorm fights. Watching her attack Thorn is like watching a lvl1 kayle go 1 on 1 with a lvl6 fed Darius Xddddd

I summoned her on very last battle and the red dragon killed her in one turn too :( No wonder she got captured and duped by Ketheric lolz. She says she is truly the daughter of Selune but under my character's breathe he wonders maybe she is just adopted lolz.

She looks hot and cool with her armor though that is the only thing I like about her but yea she feels too one dimensional and weak. As in the first half she is in our camp she just keeps telling us how horny she is for isobel and to not bother her. The second half she is just flat out useless.

They really missed the mark in making important character have important roles in the game. They could have made her be more involved especially towards the final battle. Maybe Have her cast a blessing that buffs our characters and debuffs enemies as well as show her flying around destroying those Illithids ships in the skies alongside the dragon. Her cutscene after we freed her was very cool as she light up the shadowlands but beyond that she just does not do anything else sigh. Such wasted potential.

[Maverick56]

Origineel geplaatst door Hex : Furby Salad:

1) You don't have to deal with her depending on how you play through the game.
2) I thought she was hilarious and her writing was fine.
3) Your choice to ignore the effect that her imprisonment might have had on her psyche doesn't make any discussion around that invalid.

1) No, you can't actually play the game before entering the discussion board and commenting. You clearly haven't progressed far enough to know what you are talking about. She is a mandatory character that can't be avoided.

2) I mean...cool? I'm glad your standards are low enough to have enjoyed it.

3) The idea that because she spend 100+ years imprisoned and is the reason that she lashes out at Ketheric is incorrect. As she also lashes out at Lorroakan, a character she has never met...so yeah that argument is invalid.

[Calv]

Origineel geplaatst door Maverick56:

Origineel geplaatst door Valtaya:

Well she was tortured and killed by him over and over and over again for hundred years, he captured her and told Isobel she died, despite knowing HE captured her, violating so many things. Of course Aylin would mentaly break, actualy a wonder she is still that sane. Letting it out by stomping on the head so much is "understandable". She calms down during the rest of the adventure.

And do not forget, she is a paladin, the daughter of a goddess, that is a special form of lunatic right there :D

To clarify, Aylin is not aware of Isobel's status (be it alive, dead, or anything Ketheric told her) until after the fight is over. So using that information as an excuse for her going all "Unga bunga SMASH" on a guy who in my fight...I was pretty close to talk-no-jutsu-ing out of fighting (I literally avoided the entire first phase by convincing him not to fight).

Only to have Aylin break out and scream "Villain!" why curb stomping his head was dumb as ♥♥♥♥.

Also it isn't just Ketheric, later in Act 3 against Lorroakan instead of actually acting like a "genuis" as she is described and figuring out a way to share her immortality with Isobel...or anyone else, she cracks his back out of sheer rage like he is a glowstick.

Bare in mind that she has ZERO interaction with this person prior to meeting him, no backstory, no 100 years of imprisonment and constant death.

So frankly imo Aylin is poorly written regardless of the circumstances, touted as things she isn't, and acts more like a brain dead barbarian then a paladin of a Chaotic Good deity...

You seem to be missing a lot of her backstory there.

Aylin knew that Isobel was dead when it happened. She was not aware that she had been resurrected.

After a century of being imprisoned and murdered over and over and over by Ketheric, I think her anger is justified.

And Lorroakan is trying to do the exact same thing she JUST escaped from. Even if Lorroakan wasn't an evil prick that was straight up lying to her, there is no doubt a little bit of PTSD there from being imprisoned and murdered constantly for a century that the mere suggestion of this happening again would be triggering.

I found her character to be very fun and exactly what you'd expect an Aasimar Paladin to be.

[Recjawjind]

Origineel geplaatst door Maverick56:

3) The idea that because she spend 100+ years imprisoned and is the reason that she lashes out at Ketheric is incorrect. As she also lashes out at Lorroakan, a character she has never met...so yeah that argument is invalid.

She lashes out because its DEAD OBVIOUS he's trying to once again imprison her and leech off her.
Of course she'd want him turbo-dead.

[Maverick56]

Origineel geplaatst door Ashuran:

Origineel geplaatst door Ałex:

My only problem with her is how unbelievably uselessly ♥♥♥♥ she is in the Ketheric Thorm fights. Watching her attack Thorn is like watching a lvl1 kayle go 1 on 1 with a lvl6 fed Darius Xddddd

I summoned her on very last battle and the red dragon killed her in one turn too :( No wonder she got captured and duped by Ketheric lolz. She says she is truly the daughter of Selune but under my character's breathe he wonders maybe she is just adopted lolz.

She looks hot and cool with her armor though that is the only thing I like about her but yea she feels too one dimensional and weak. As in the first half she is in our camp she just keeps telling us how horny she is for isobel and to not bother her. The second half she is just flat out useless.

They really missed the mark in making important character have important roles in the game. They could have made her be more involved especially towards the final battle. Maybe Have her cast a blessing that buffs our characters and debuffs enemies as well as show her flying around destroying those Illithids ships in the skies alongside the dragon. Her cutscene after we freed her was very cool as she light up the shadowlands but beyond that she just does not do anything else sigh. Such wasted potential.

Frankly I'm kinda glad they didn't have her do a Captain Marvel blowing up Ilithid ships in the background...by the time I was in the ending of Act 3 I had pretty much managed to forget about her entirely.

Then she showed up in that pre-battle bar area and I was like "Oh ♥♥♥♥, you are still a thing? Okay...whatever." and then she went down to 3 hits from the spectator during the gauntlet fight.

[Maverick56]

Paladin Named Aylin: "Daughter" of a Chaotic Good deity able to brutally smash people's heads in and break people's backs without clear headed or fair judgment = TOTALLY OKAY.

Paladin PC: Tries to defend refugees from the clearly corrupt City Watch =

"OATHBREAKER!"

[Maverick56]

Origineel geplaatst door Recjawjind:

Origineel geplaatst door Maverick56:

3) The idea that because she spend 100+ years imprisoned and is the reason that she lashes out at Ketheric is incorrect. As she also lashes out at Lorroakan, a character she has never met...so yeah that argument is invalid.

She lashes out because its DEAD OBVIOUS he's trying to once again imprison her and leech off her.
Of course she'd want him turbo-dead.

Lol for a "genius" as she is described (In words only) she didn't even consider the opportunity to use his research to make Isobel immortal...

I'm not saying don't kill him, but like thats the 2nd time she has swooped in after my PC has finished a fight, and she just does something ridiculous.

[Jimmy]

Absolutely annoying character, never mind the 10 reminders after her story ends that YES she is indeed a lesbian AND a strong independent woman. I gave her to the wizard to have her gone from my camp, no regrets.

[Axis of Lint]

Origineel geplaatst door Maverick56:

Origineel geplaatst door Hex : Furby Salad:

1) You don't have to deal with her depending on how you play through the game.
2) I thought she was hilarious and her writing was fine.
3) Your choice to ignore the effect that her imprisonment might have had on her psyche doesn't make any discussion around that invalid.

1) No, you can't actually play the game before entering the discussion board and commenting. You clearly haven't progressed far enough to know what you are talking about. She is a mandatory character that can't be avoided.

2) I mean...cool? I'm glad your standards are low enough to have enjoyed it.

3) The idea that because she spend 100+ years imprisoned and is the reason that she lashes out at Ketheric is incorrect. As she also lashes out at Lorroakan, a character she has never met...so yeah that argument is invalid.

I've completed the game, you can have a look at my steam achievements. Try again. Even on the playthrough where I *did* interact with her, the interaction was limited. She's on screen and in game for an insignificant amount of time if you really don't like her.

*Edit* - To clarify, when I said 'You don't have to deal with her' I meant, you can reduce dealing with her to about 30 seconds of gameplay if you so choose. Even if you decide to opt for one of the other two options, she probably has less than 5 minutes of total on-screen time (and that includes the Laro stuff in sundries which you don't have to do either).

Do you understand that other people have opinions on things and that it has nothing to do with 'standards'? Just because someone likes Bieber or Taylor Swift (as examples, no judgement intended) if you don't, doesn't mean they have 'lower standards'. They have a different taste and/or conception of what is fun/enjoyable/whatever than you do.

[Ultimaty]

Origineel geplaatst door Maverick56:

Edit 1: To all the people who are calling me a Homophobe. Notice how I have...no issue with Isobel? Because she acts like a normal person...

*SPOILER*
Haha that typical millennial ungrateful ♥♥♥♥♥ who hates his "WHITE HOMOPHOBIC FATHER" who sold twice his souls with evil gods just for her sake? And you have no problem?

LOL

[BMN_Narrlequin]

Origineel geplaatst door BasedTavares:

Also she helped very little in the boss fight against myrkul and kept missing all her attacks, as if being a bad written character wasn't enough

she and my paladin went almost halfsies on that battle.

@op oh no, the evil lesbian "stole the spotlight" for a few mins... grow the f up.

[Federok]

Origineel geplaatst door Maverick56:

3) The idea that because she spend 100+ years imprisoned and is the reason that she lashes out at Ketheric is incorrect. As she also lashes out at Lorroakan, a character she has never met...so yeah that argument is invalid.

Remind me again, what Lorroakan was trying to do to Aylin? I know it starts with I-.

[some random guy]

I think they modeled her personality after Thor...

[Zorn]

Is she an annoying ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ? YES

Are Paladins in general annoying ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and i cant grasp why anybody would want to play one ? YES !

So does her fanatic and annoying character make sense... YES !

Are you a jackass if you think that her being a lesbian is a Problem...YES !

Is it ok to dislike her character without giving a ♥♥♥♥ that she is a lesbian Also Yes

Are you a hypocrtiticl ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with a bit of a victim complex if you call anybody who dislikes her character homophobic regardless of context
Finally also Yes !

[Doctor Zalgo]

Origineel geplaatst door Maverick56:

Paladin Named Aylin: "Daughter" of a Chaotic Good deity able to brutally smash people's heads in and break people's backs without clear headed or fair judgment = TOTALLY OKAY.

Paladin PC: Tries to defend refugees from the clearly corrupt City Watch =

"OATHBREAKER!"

What God were you following?