Dame Aylin might be the most annoying Character in the history of D&D

[Maverick56]

Like I don't know who wrote her, and I'll try not to spoil anything but HOLY CRAP.

From the moment you save her, she flips a switch goes full main character mode, steals the spotlight, and then when all is said and done...she bashes you over the head with the subtlety and tact of a wrecking ball, and basically is like "Hey guess what, I'm a lesbian, do you wanna see how lesbian I am? No? Too bad!"

She is unkillable, so you can't just be like "Nah I'm good" *wooden stake to the heart*

She both acts superior (due to story spoilers) but also totally useless (We have to free her like 3 times).

And her story is inexplicably tied to the MAIN STORY (and Shadowhearts) SO YOU ARE FORCED TO DEAL WITH HER.


Edit 1: To all the people who are calling me a Homophobe. Notice how I have...no issue with Isobel? Because she acts like a normal person...

Edit 2: "Well she was locked in a prison and forced to die for hundreds of years" is not a defense for her being annoying. You can easily make a character have tragic, emotional, and difficult motivations, without making them annoying.

[Kiap]

I like overly zealous characters. Would you omit the part about her shoving her sexuality in your face if she was a man with a woman?

[Konomi☆Nanasaki]

Originally posted by Maverick56:

Originally posted by Harukage:

Not if Shadowheart kills her.

Lol she is resurrected by Saelune and comes back...even if Shadowheart kills her

Well, that destroys my hope, but better to know in advance than end up disappointed, so thanks :)

[Mizu]

Steals the spotlight? She runs off with no backup to attack Moonrise tower and kills a couple of useless mooks before getting her stupid ass captured such that you are forced to rescue her again. She has basically zero agency and spends most of the game reacting to people like Ketheric who want to enslave her to use her as a glorified battery in a magic ritual instead of having her own agenda. The other part of it is her being used as part of Shar's agenda to shape Shadowheart into an evil high priestess minion by getting her to sacrifice her to Shar for nothing she did and merely because she was born Selune's daughter. I don't understand how anyone could look at her and see her as anything but a supporting character that exists to be a tool in telling the stories of other characters.

And get out of here with that 'I am not a bigot, I just don't like the gays doing anything that reminds me they even exist and expect them to go through life hiding their nature in public like its something to be ashamed about so I never have to be reminded gay people exist' nonsense. If being so much as reminded that something exists makes you upset then you do not like that something.

[Malaficus Shaikan]

I dont mind her so much.
Tho i dont recall there being a dialog options to say her constantly boasting is anoying.
That would have been nice.
But then again skyrim made me immune to meaningless boasts.
If i had to put down every mead drinker for bad mouthing me skyrim would be an empty place.

[Col. W. T. Philmore]

Good thing - you can just put her on the stake at first meeting and forget.
Bad thing - you cannot after that have romance with SH, which u wanna have if u are normal man, that prefers normal women.
Also a lot of good people will die.
The message from devs is that if you don't like lesbians and feminists you are a mass homicidal maniac and dont deserve any love.

[Harukage]

Well no. That is not how a paladin should behave. That is not how a daughter of Selune should behave. That is not how a champion of a good diety should behave. SHE IS NOT yOUR ORDINARY PERSON. At least she should not be.
The whole scene was outright psychotic and out of place. I would sooner believe her to be a daughter of Bhaal then Selune.

[Zef]

Originally posted by Harukage:

Well no. That is not how a paladin should behave. That is not how a daughter of Selune should behave. That is not how a champion of a good diety should behave. SHE IS NOT yOUR ORDINARY PERSON. At least she should not be.
The whole scene was outright psychotic and out of place. I would sooner believe her to be a daughter of Bhaal then Selune.

You conventiently forget the part where she was betrayed and captured for over a 100 years while being killed over and over by dark justiciars.

She can be a bit over zealous but i fully understand where she's coming from.

[HozzMidnight]

She's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ warrior for being a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ demigod. Can she die in combat? Because in the first battle with Kethric she got downed pretty easily and she almost did in the last battle with him.

[Mizu]

Originally posted by Harukage:

Well no. That is not how a paladin should behave. That is not how a daughter of Selune should behave. That is not how a champion of a good diety should behave. SHE IS NOT yOUR ORDINARY PERSON. At least she should not be.
The whole scene was outright psychotic and out of place. I would sooner believe her to be a daughter of Bhaal then Selune.

You haven't met very many paladins, it seems. Giving grandiose speeches full of righteous posturing and violently dismembering evil people is totally fair game for them depending on which oath they made. And again, she was tortured for a hundred years. Of course she is bonkers.

[William]

Originally posted by Maverick56:

Like I don't know who wrote her, and I'll try not to spoil anything but HOLY CRAP.

From the moment you save her, she flips a switch goes full main character mode, steals the spotlight, and then when all is said and done...she bashes you over the head with the subtlety and tact of a wrecking ball, and basically is like "Hey guess what, I'm a lesbian, do you wanna see how lesbian I am? No? Too bad!"

She is unkillable, so you can't just be like "Nah I'm good" *wooden stake to the heart*

She both acts superior (due to story spoilers) but also totally useless (We have to free her like 3 times).

And her story is inexplicably tied to the MAIN STORY (and Shadowhearts) SO YOU ARE FORCED TO DEAL WITH HER.


Edit 1: To all the people who are calling me a Homophobe. Notice how I have...no issue with Isobel? Because she acts like a normal person...

You're upset that the female character is stronger than you, but needs your help? You'd call her a mary sue if she didn't need help - and you'd call her useless if she wasn't stronger than you. She is written well. Characters that are stronger than you and never require your help are boring beyond belief. The entire game constantly points out to you that you aren't up to the task and the only reason you can do what you can do is because you're chugging tadpoles, getting juiced up by The Emperor and getting protected by Orpheus. If you somehow went through the game feeling like you were the strongest guy in the room all by yourself, you must have played with headphones off and skipped all dialogue and cutscenes. Try dismissing The Emperor to piss off Vlaakith and see how strong you are.

Also yes you're upset about her because she is a masculine lesbo. If Isobel was masculine as well you'd lose your mind about her too. You're hiding your power level behind an ultra clear freshly washed and polished pane of glass. Transparent beyond belief.

[Harukage]

And what kind of a Paladin is a champion of Selune? Conquest lol? Do not be ridiculous.
And again she a holy champion and a daughter of a god. A freaking immortal literally. I guess all the damn children gods had can envy her. Getting killed for a century or so should be nothing to her. Damn, she has more pride than any Solar, yet she is so pathetic at controling herself, or at forgiving if that matters. And what is more important - fighting.

[Maverick56]

Originally posted by Mizu:

You haven't met very many paladins, it seems. Giving grandiose speeches full of righteous posturing and violently dismembering evil people is totally fair game for them depending on which oath they made. And again, she was tortured for a hundred years. Of course she is bonkers.

Lol I love how you perfectly explain and excuse her character for being literally the meme of why paladins are so annoying themselves, but because she happens to be a lesbian, I'm a bigot, and she is somehow excused from being annoying?

Yeah thats not hypocritically moronic at all...

Again, I have zero issues with Isobel, in-fact aside from the laughably silly "I fell in love at first sight" cringe (Which I would have thought was cringe regardless of the sexual orientation) she is a totally likable character.

[Maverick56]

Originally posted by William:

You're upset that the female character is stronger than you, but needs your help?

No I'm upset because she THINKS she is stronger then me, and acts like she is, but in reality she is useless.

Originally posted by William:

Characters that are stronger than you and never require your help are boring beyond belief. The entire game constantly points out to you that you aren't up to the task and the only reason you can do what you can do is because you're chugging tadpoles, getting juiced up by The Emperor and getting protected by Orpheus.

Which is an entire separate issue with the writing...

Originally posted by William:

If you somehow went through the game feeling like you were the strongest guy in the room all by yourself, you must have played with headphones off and skipped all dialogue and cutscenes. Try dismissing The Emperor to piss off Vlaakith and see how strong you are.

Fun fact: You can play the game without tadpole abilities, and without the Emperor helping you...

Originally posted by William:

Also yes you're upset about her because she is a masculine lesbo. If Isobel was masculine as well you'd lose your mind about her too. You're hiding your power level behind an ultra clear freshly washed and polished pane of glass. Transparent beyond belief.

You seem to think you know a remarkable amount about what I would do in fictitious situations. But in reality, I don't really care if a woman is buff, or strong, or masculine, I don't care if she is bi, lesbian, or straight...

I just care if she is written well and keeps me immersed in the game.

Dame Aylin, was not, and did not.

[Maverick56]

Originally posted by Harukage:

And what kind of a Paladin is a champion of Selune? Conquest lol? Do not be ridiculous.
And again she a holy champion and a daughter of a god. A freaking immortal literally. I guess all the damn children gods had can envy her. Getting killed for a century or so should be nothing to her. Damn, she has more pride than any Solar, yet she is so pathetic at controling herself, or at forgiving if that matters. And what is more important - fighting.

Her flipping out and curb stomping Ketheric's face was the literal cringiest thing I've ever seen. Especially if you didn't rescue her from the soul cage, and she didn't actually participate in the fight...Its almost like she tries to steal your kill.

So glad I'm done with this game at this point.

Need Starfield to clear my pallet.

[Zoid13]

Originally posted by Maverick56:

She is unkillable, so you can't just be like "Nah I'm good" *wooden stake to the heart*

not really... you can just let shadowheart kill her... that is an option for you to get rid of her you know.

Originally posted by BasedTavares:

Also she helped very little in the boss fight against myrkul and kept missing all her attacks, as if being a bad written character wasn't enough

for me she unloaded some giant crit chain on the boss and took half its health off in 1 hit on tactician lol