Bladesinging - Can't use cantrip and attack

[Max Shadow]

In D&D 2014 (Tasha's Cauldron of Everything), Bladesinging subclass allows you to attack twice at lvl 6, and one of those attacks can be a cantrip. This is not the case in BG3, only booming blade can be used alongside an attack. Any other cantrip consumes the whole action and doesn't give you an extra attack. Is this intended or an oversight? This nerfs the subclass quite a lot.

[Aespa Enthusiast]

At level 6 they are supposed to gain Extra attack yes. Can make an additional free attack after making an unarmed or weapon attack. The wording seems like you have to weapon attack first then use your free attack for your cantrip?

[Max Shadow]

The TCE entry of Bladesinging lvl 6 feature reads as follows:

"Starting at 6th level, you can attack twice, instead of once, whenever you take the Attack action on your turn. Moreover, you can cast one of your cantrips in place of one of those attacks."

Which suggests you can use a cantrip in any order. In any case, I tested it in BG3, both attacking first and last, and the same thing happens. Only Booming Blade can be used after the first attack, and you can only attack after using Booming Blade.

[Razorblade]

As I understand it, BG3's Bladesinger just gives you the same extra attack other martial classes get; there's nothing special about it.

BG3 plays pretty fast and loose with tabletop rules, so it's not a surprising change. The devs have buffed and nerfed many classes arbitrarily compared to tabletop; Bladesinger is just another to add to the list.

[Farsha]

according to BG3 wiki it's just an extra attack feature, nothing special
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Bladesinging
So no double Booming blade.
I thing Eldrich knight can do it as he gets cantrip on bonus action on some lvl.
Also in Act3 you can get this https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Quickspell_Gloves.

[Captain_Narol]

The BG3 version of the Bladesinger cannot do that, sadly... Only Eldritch Knight does in the game !

In BG3, the Bladesinger only gets an additional attack on level 6, that work the same as multiple attacks from martial classes.

Their version of the Bladesinger is designed about loading the Bladesong with charges by Casting Spells Level 1+ (not cantrips) all along until you release the Bladesong Climax for maximal effect.

If you don't want to sacrifice your attacks to load the Bladesong (which would be overall counterproductive in most situations), I think the trick is to use spells (not cantrips) that can be casts as Bonus Actions or Reactions, like Hunter's Mark or Shield, for example.

[armbarchris]

Bladesinger in the rulebook is broken as hell, I'm OK with a nerf or two.

[Max Shadow]

Funny, because I've heard many people say Bladeinging was one of the worst subclasses in the rulebooks. I don't think it needed a Nerf, Eldritch Knight can already cast a cantrip and an attack in the same round, plus Action Surge. Most changes made in BG3 compared to the rulebooks are buffs, not nerfs, so it felt like an oversight.

[Max Shadow]

Also, is the bladesong climax explained in the subclass description? I don't remember seeing it when leveling up, and was pretty confused when I saw that skill in my toolbar. It's not even in the wiki yet, so I assume it was changed recently.

[mr.martan]

The biggest issue I have with this is that it makes taking either of the blade cantrips counterproductive or the extra attack feature pointless, especially at higher levels as the cantrips scale.
It of course depends on your equipment and situation as two attacks may trigger the many extra damage effects in the game multiple times.

[Jaevwyn]

this isnt the first class that isnt a perfect like for like to the books. it is what it is.

[Shale]

Originally posted by Max Shadow:

Funny, because I've heard many people say Bladeinging was one of the worst subclasses in the rulebooks. I don't think it needed a Nerf, Eldritch Knight can already cast a cantrip and an attack in the same round, plus Action Surge. Most changes made in BG3 compared to the rulebooks are buffs, not nerfs, so it felt like an oversight.

I'd be interested who is saying bladesinger is the worst sublass for wizards.
Not only is it widely considered as easily one of if not the best wizard subclass, plenty of other wizard subclasses are strong competition and are commonly overlooked.

[Raz]

Originally posted by Max Shadow:

Also, is the bladesong climax explained in the subclass description? I don't remember seeing it when leveling up, and was pretty confused when I saw that skill in my toolbar. It's not even in the wiki yet, so I assume it was changed recently.

Bladesinging Climax was in the Early Access Beta. Not being on the wiki is not equal to it being a recent change. And where are you even looking? The Bladesong Climax is on the BG3 wiki with it last being edited on April 15, when the patch dropped. All I typed was Climax, got to Bladesong and in bold on that page is Bladesong Climax which then leads to Bladesong Damage Charges and Healing Charges.

https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Bladesong_Climax

EDIT: Jesus Christ, on a hunch, I decided to check the fextralife wiki and that doesn't have much information on Bladesong Climax. My brother in christ, stop using that trash website that is purely used to farm views towards its Twitch page to get passive money because people do not realize there is embedded Twitch videos playing on the pages. It isn't a real "wiki" page as almost none of its pages across various games are even finished with full in-game information. bg3.wiki.com, start using that.

Originally posted by Max Shadow:

Funny, because I've heard many people say Bladeinging was one of the worst subclasses in the rulebooks. I don't think it needed a Nerf, Eldritch Knight can already cast a cantrip and an attack in the same round, plus Action Surge. Most changes made in BG3 compared to the rulebooks are buffs, not nerfs, so it felt like an oversight.

I agree with the poster above me. Who are these people? I can link to dozens of DnD tabletop YT who go on and on about Bladesingers and Hexblades being the two most OP classes with few comparable to them (Druids is one of those few) and that Bladesingers are better martials than most martial with it taking busted mechanics like Echo Knight to catch up to a Bladesinger.