Used Noblestalk on Shart and gave it to Derryth after lol

[Romnia]

So I did the quest, got the Noblestalk, got the gloves from Derryth without showing off the magic cabbage, and then talked Shadowheart into eating it instead.

I went back to Derryth to trade and the option to show off was still there, I was able to give it to her - perhaps it just got like a dent in it or something? Maybe it's a glitch, idk, either way I just felt like bringing it up here in case someone needs the info. Yay.

[Raz]

Definitely a glitch, cause it's outright consumed if eaten. You can eat it as a Dark Urge to get one of two memories back (depending on where you eat it if I am not mistaken) and once I had eaten it in the Underdark, I couldn't tell Derryth about it.

[Worlord]

i think if you leave it at camp you can have SH eat it and give it to Derryth as well. You should also consider giving it to her hubby, instead. it has unexpected consequences down the road.

[Romnia]

Originally posted by Worlord:

i think if you leave it at camp you can have SH eat it and give it to Derryth as well. You should also consider giving it to her hubby, instead. it has unexpected consequences down the road.

Yea he'll magically transform into a wife beater (again), the main reason why I never tried to cure him. Does he do or help with anything later in act 3?

[Mike Garrison]

It's a known glitch that as long as you 1) have picked it up, and 2) don't have it in your inventory (ie. sent it to camp or even just dropped it), then you can still use it on Shadowheart. Then you put it back in your inventory and give it to a Bonecloak of your choice.

[Worlord]

Originally posted by Romnia:

Originally posted by Worlord:

i think if you leave it at camp you can have SH eat it and give it to Derryth as well. You should also consider giving it to her hubby, instead. it has unexpected consequences down the road.

Yea he'll magically transform into a wife beater (again), the main reason why I never tried to cure him. Does he do or help with anything later in act 3?

There's more to it than that. She leaves him and thanks you for finally forcing her to make that decision. You can find her at Elfsong Tavern.

[Mike Garrison]

I tried this today myself.

1) I got the noblestalk. (Baelin died.)
2) I went to Derryth. Told her Baelin died. She said she wanted noblestalk. I asked why, and she said 'cause it's good stuff. I left the conversation without telling her I had it.
3) I dropped the noblestalk on the ground. (I have no idea whether this mattered or not.)
4) I tried to talk to Shadowheart about the noblestalk, but there was no option.
5) I picked up the noblestalk.
6) Now there was an option to ask Shadowheart to eat it. I had to persuade her, but she did. She remembered her tiefling friend.
7) I looked in my inventory. No noblestalk.
8) I went back to trade with Derryth and ... the option was still there to show her the noblestalk. So I selected that option, and then the one to give it to her. She thanked me, in her bitter way.

[Mike Garrison]

As for the loving couple themselves, it is heavily implied that Derryth poisoned Baelin, which is what made him become simple-minded.

There really is no happy ending here. If you cure Baelin, he becomes vicious again. If you don't cure him but he lives, Derryth resents TF out of having to care for him. If he dies, Derryth misses him (although you can get her to adopt a cat instead).

[The Yeen Queen]

Originally posted by Mike Garrison:

As for the loving couple themselves, it is heavily implied that Derryth poisoned Baelin

Where? I don't recall any dialog suggesting this in any way.

[Raz]

Originally posted by Romnia:

Originally posted by Worlord:

i think if you leave it at camp you can have SH eat it and give it to Derryth as well. You should also consider giving it to her hubby, instead. it has unexpected consequences down the road.

Yea he'll magically transform into a wife beater (again), the main reason why I never tried to cure him. Does he do or help with anything later in act 3?

All things considered, curing him in the Underdark technically is the better outcome considering the options regarding their situation and the Noblestalk.

1) Cure him in the Underdark and when you arrive in Baldur's Gate she has left him and stays at the Elf Song.

2) Cure him at Baldur's Gate, she can never escape him.

3) Don't cure him, and she continues to make a victim out of him, perpetuating the cycle.

4) Let him die in the underdark while giving the Noblestalk, she talks about being lonely. Though, you can give her one of the cats near her place. Either Myshka or Noir cat.

[Mike Garrison]

Originally posted by The Yeen Queen:

Originally posted by Mike Garrison:

As for the loving couple themselves, it is heavily implied that Derryth poisoned Baelin

Where? I don't recall any dialog suggesting this in any way.

It's in her journal.

[The Yeen Queen]

Originally posted by Mike Garrison:

Originally posted by The Yeen Queen:

Where? I don't recall any dialog suggesting this in any way.

It's in her journal.

Nope. She says she'll poison him if he hits her again if you didn't give him the Nobelstalk. Apparently being fuddled still left him as a violently abusive ass. If you let him die, there's mention that his befuddlement came from sampling his own merchandise. Apparently some of their herbs and potions had mood altering effects. But it describes HIM doing it to himself, not her doing it to him.

[Mike Garrison]

Originally posted by The Yeen Queen:

Originally posted by Mike Garrison:

It's in her journal.

Nope. She says she'll poison him if he hits her again if you didn't give him the Nobelstalk. Apparently being fuddled still left him as a violently abusive ass. If you let him die, there's mention that his befuddlement came from sampling his own merchandise. Apparently some of their herbs and potions had mood altering effects. But it describes HIM doing it to himself, not her doing it to him.

The journal entry is from before his illness. She considers poisoning him. Sometime after that, he is stricken by a mysterious illness that severely damages his mind.

Like I said, it is *implied* that she poisoned him. It's not spelled out with certainty. It could be that he accidentally poisoned himself.

[The Yeen Queen]

Originally posted by Mike Garrison:

Originally posted by The Yeen Queen:

Nope. She says she'll poison him if he hits her again if you didn't give him the Nobelstalk. Apparently being fuddled still left him as a violently abusive ass. If you let him die, there's mention that his befuddlement came from sampling his own merchandise. Apparently some of their herbs and potions had mood altering effects. But it describes HIM doing it to himself, not her doing it to him.

The journal entry is from before his illness. She considers poisoning him. Sometime after that, he is stricken by a mysterious illness that severely damages his mind.

Like I said, it is *implied* that she poisoned him. It's not spelled out with certainty. It could be that he accidentally poisoned himself.

The journal entry ( ONLY appears if he's alive and not given the Nobelstalk ):

Dumathoin take the man! I thought when we got back to the city and were in familiar surroundings again that he'd mellow a bit and regain some focus.


But no. ****He's as fuddled as ever,**** the old tarantula, and even more short-tempered about it than in the Underdark. ****He needs my help, and he hates that—always has.**** I won't take it any more. If he hits me again, he's going to find some wyvern toxin in his porridge the next morning!


Worg ♥♥♥♥, did I actually write those words? I'd better hide this.

This makes it clear that this is AFTER his mind was fuddled, so returning from the Underdark trip you meed them on. There is nothing to suggest that this was BEFORE that trip and his....fuddling.

[Mike Garrison]

Ah, I guess so. OK.

[Mike Garrison]

Hey! An update.

So, I first approached Derryth, and found out that she wanted the noblestalk. Then I left without showing it to her. Then I gave it to Shadowheart. Then I went back to Derryth and gave it to her too. Nice, right?

Except no. Despite all her dialogue in Act 2 that said she had the noblestalk, in Act 3 guess what? Her shop is poor because she never got the noblestalk.

So the Act 2 dialogue is buggy, but the game did not actually give you both outcomes.