Deathstalker Mantle / Cull the Weak Fix?

[Angel of RNGesus]

We all know the interaction the title refers to. Are there any plans to make the mantle work with culling? Any mod out there for this? I can't find one on the mod manager but if there's a third party one I might be desperate enough to try and install it.

[Raz]

There wouldn't be a way to have mantle work for this as Cullen is an effect you apply after you kill a target. This would be like allowing yourself to keep attacking after killing the target, you're going to break invisibility.

[wtiger27]

A fix is not needed for that cloak. It works great as is.

[Wuorg]

I think OP means the interaction where Cull the Weak is responsible for killing the target (edit: the main target, not talking about collateral killings from the AoE here, though I think the same thing happens), but Deathstalker Mantle does not trigger. Cull the Weak does this for any effect that relies on killing a target, doesn't have anything to do with the mantle or invisibility specifically.

The only way I've found to get around this is to temorarily turn it off or to use a big burst of damage to skip Cull the Weak entirely, like Sneak Attack, Inflict Wounds, Disintegration, etc.

I'm not sure why it works this way, or if it can even be fixed with a mod.

[Raz]

Originally posted by Wuorg:

I think OP means the interaction where Cull the Weak is responsible for killing the target, but Deathstalker Mantle does not trigger. Cull the Weak does this for any effect that relies on killing a target, doesn't have anything to do with the mantle or invisibility specifically.

That isn't an issue with the mantle but all secondary damage effects. This is true with the Punch Drunk Bat, Phalar Aluve, and anything that triggers secondary damage not the main damage. The Sparker gear as well.

[Wuorg]

Originally posted by Raz:

Originally posted by Wuorg:

I think OP means the interaction where Cull the Weak is responsible for killing the target, but Deathstalker Mantle does not trigger. Cull the Weak does this for any effect that relies on killing a target, doesn't have anything to do with the mantle or invisibility specifically.

That isn't an issue with the mantle but all secondary damage effects. This is true with the Punch Drunk Bat, Phalar Aluve, and anything that triggers secondary damage not the main damage. The Sparker gear as well.

Ah, dammit, I didn't get my edits in fast enough lol.

[Raz]

Originally posted by Wuorg:

Originally posted by Raz:

That isn't an issue with the mantle but all secondary damage effects. This is true with the Punch Drunk Bat, Phalar Aluve, and anything that triggers secondary damage not the main damage. The Sparker gear as well.

Ah, dammit, I didn't get my edits in fast enough lol.

Type faster!

I had saw them immediately after I posted.

[Wuorg]

Originally posted by Raz:

Originally posted by Wuorg:

Ah, dammit, I didn't get my edits in fast enough lol.

Type faster!

I had saw them immediately after I posted.

Such is life on a forum.

I have a bad habit of obsessively editing my posts/replies (even for small things like grammar), so it is probably my fault lol.

[Angel of RNGesus]

Originally posted by Wuorg:

I think OP means the interaction where Cull the Weak is responsible for killing the target (edit: the main target, not talking about collateral killings from the AoE here, though I think the same thing happens), but Deathstalker Mantle does not trigger. Cull the Weak does this for any effect that relies on killing a target, doesn't have anything to do with the mantle or invisibility specifically.

The only way I've found to get around this is to temorarily turn it off or to use a big burst of damage to skip Cull the Weak entirely, like Sneak Attack, Inflict Wounds, Disintegration, etc.

I'm not sure why it works this way, or if it can even be fixed with a mod.

This is exactly it! Thanks for explaining the back-end systems a bit more. I've noticed the burst damage skipping cull's effect making it work too but I find as I roll into act 2 on my current run that I'm often just short of my kills which is what inspired this post.