Managed to kill Mizora in act 1 and save Wyll's human form

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I just wanted my boy Wyll not to have horns as he already lost his eye and couldn't sacrifice Mama K for that. Does anyone know whether there will be any consequences in act2 or act3 for that?

[Worlord]

Well, you'll miss out on some fun and obviously she won't be available as an ally later on. Also, it will make it a bit harder to rescue the Duke from the Iron Throne.

[Lethan]

Act 2 sword goes missing
Act 3 Father stuff is actually easier, assuming you do the Iron throne stuff regardless
Act 3 Lack of minor help at the end from Mizora.

[Ghost]

Actions have consequences. You'll likely find the game more fun or engaging if you don't spoil yourself.

[Worlord]

Lethan eredeti hozzászólása:

Act 2 sword goes missing
Act 3 Father stuff is actually easier, assuming you do the Iron throne stuff regardless
Act 3 Lack of minor help at the end from Mizora.

But no matter what, I still think it was cool to kill her off before she changed Wyll. ")

[Mike Garrison]

How would you even do this? Attack her from outside the cutscene?

[Angel]

can you explain how you did this OP?

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Lethan eredeti hozzászólása:

Act 2 sword goes missing
Act 3 Father stuff is actually easier, assuming you do the Iron throne stuff regardless
Act 3 Lack of minor help at the end from Mizora.

That't a bit sad. Sword for my duelist bard would be actually good.

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Angel eredeti hozzászólása:

can you explain how you did this OP?

Sure, I don't what exactly triggered that, but I did everything in that order:

1. Killed Karlach and talked to Wyll.
2. Revived Karlach from a distance and didn't talk to her.
3. Completed whole act 1 except Gityanki Crache.
4. Recrutied Karlach with Wyll in a party and replaced Wyll with Karlach.
5. Killed Karlach.
6. In a camp asked Wither to collect her.
7. Killed Wyll and Gale collected his naked body.
8. Went to mountain pass.
9. Mizora appears in a camp but doesn't talk to anyone.
Now I have a problem whenever I attack Mizora, my whole camp is getting aggressive, including my boy Scratch.
Solution: throw a flask with spectator and when everybody fights it, kill Mizora.
I did it with open handed monk, stunning her every turn so she wouldn't heal herself.
She dies, I collect her, put a dozen of goblins and all my heavy trash inside her. (In case she revives, so she couldn't walk)
10. Killed Raphael to get armor (Isn't relevant, but just happened in the same night :D)

Let me know if you have further question.

[infinity]

Mike Garrison eredeti hozzászólása:

How would you even do this? Attack her from outside the cutscene?

Above.

[Jinkaru]

infinity eredeti hozzászólása:

7. Killed Wyll and Gale collected his naked body.

Question: Did you take his underwear?

[Angel]

infinity eredeti hozzászólása:

Angel eredeti hozzászólása:

can you explain how you did this OP?

Sure, I don't what exactly triggered that, but I did everything in that order:

1. Killed Karlach and talked to Wyll.
2. Revived Karlach from a distance and didn't talk to her.
3. Completed whole act 1 except Gityanki Crache.
4. Recrutied Karlach with Wyll in a party and replaced Wyll with Karlach.
5. Killed Karlach.
6. In a camp asked Wither to collect her.
7. Killed Wyll and Gale collected his naked body.
8. Went to mountain pass.
9. Mizora appears in a camp but doesn't talk to anyone.
Now I have a problem whenever I attack Mizora, my whole camp is getting aggressive, including my boy Scratch.
Solution: throw a flask with spectator and when everybody fights it, kill Mizora.
I did it with open handed monk, stunning her every turn so she wouldn't heal herself.
She dies, I collect her, put a dozen of goblins and all my heavy trash inside her. (In case she revives, so she couldn't walk)
10. Killed Raphael to get armor (Isn't relevant, but just happened in the same night :D)

Let me know if you have further question.

thank you!

[infinity]

Jinkaru eredeti hozzászólása:

infinity eredeti hozzászólása:

7. Killed Wyll and Gale collected his naked body.

Question: Did you take his underwear?

No, but he had Laezels underwear, if it helps.

[seeker1]

Mizora is supposed to be unkillable in camp. Also, BTW, if you do kill her - like say in a certain pod - Wyll turns into a lemure and is banished to the hells.

She's normally protected by Zariel's Protection.
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Zariel%27s_Protection_(Condition)

I could see stunning her might make it fail to trigger.

That you managed to pull this off is an interesting cheese exploit/hack. One that messed with the scripts of the game. Because ... I suspect the script that triggers Wyll being banished to the hells if she dies doesn't trigger if she's killed in camp, because she's not supposed to be killable in camp.

https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Mizora

Due to Zariel's Protection, Mizora is unkillable and a combat encounter is not possible with her. Any damage she takes is reduced to 0 and she will immediately disappear. Bleed-over-time effects will result in Mizora disappearing and then reappearing when the effect ends. The party can antagonize her without any negative consequences, however, though she will never truly die or fight back.

[snip][end]

You found a hack circumventing her normal unkillability, so again something that should follow in the game's scripts didn't.

[again according to the above Wiki] (Mindflayer Colony)
Mizora, and Wyll's fate, can go two ways from here: either Mizora is left to her luck, or killed outright, which also means damning Wyll to an eternity in Avernus as a Lemure;
[snip][end]

If you talk to Wyll at one point, and ask him why he hasn't simply tried to kill Mizora to get out of the pact, he says this is why he can't even if he could pull it off. It's in his pact that if she dies, whether at his hand or not, he's banished as a lemure to the hells.

... once he's out of the pact, of course, nothing's stopping him at THAT point from hunting down and killing her out of revenge.

BTW, I'm not chiding you for pulling off a hack; I think I figured out one myself for changing the ending of the game so no one (important) becomes a mindflayer; but I'm just pointing out to other folks, it is a cheese/hack. Shouldn't have worked. Won't normally if they try and kill Mizora in camp. Could even have a certain runwanted epercussion if they succeed.

[Jinkaru]

infinity eredeti hozzászólása:

Jinkaru eredeti hozzászólása:

Question: Did you take his underwear?

No, but he had Laezels underwear, if it helps.

Lmao I did that too actually with Wyll. He was wearing it during the super serious romance scene in Act 3 where he pretty much proposes... wearing that.

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seeker1 eredeti hozzászólása:

Mizora is supposed to be unkillable in camp. Also, BTW, if you do kill her - like say in a certain pod - Wyll turns into a lemure and is banished to the hells.

She's normally protected by Zariel's Protection.
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Zariel%27s_Protection_(Condition)

I could see stunning her might make it fail to trigger.

That you managed to pull this off is an interesting cheese exploit/hack. One that messed with the scripts of the game. Because ... I suspect the script that triggers Wyll being banished to the hells if she dies doesn't trigger if she's killed in camp, because she's not supposed to be killable in camp.

https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Mizora

Due to Zariel's Protection, Mizora is unkillable and a combat encounter is not possible with her. Any damage she takes is reduced to 0 and she will immediately disappear. Bleed-over-time effects will result in Mizora disappearing and then reappearing when the effect ends. The party can antagonize her without any negative consequences, however, though she will never truly die or fight back.

[snip][end]

You found a hack circumventing her normal unkillability, so again something that should follow in the game's scripts didn't.

[again according to the above Wiki] (Mindflayer Colony)
Mizora, and Wyll's fate, can go two ways from here: either Mizora is left to her luck, or killed outright, which also means damning Wyll to an eternity in Avernus as a Lemure;
[snip][end]

If you talk to Wyll at one point, and ask him why he hasn't simply tried to kill Mizora to get out of the pact, he says this is why he can't even if he could pull it off. It's in his pact that if she dies, whether at his hand or not, he's banished as a lemure to the hells.

... once he's out of the pact, of course, nothing's stopping him at THAT point from hunting down and killing her out of revenge.

BTW, I'm not chiding you for pulling off a hack; I think I figured out one myself for changing the ending of the game so no one (important) becomes a mindflayer; but I'm just pointing out to other folks, it is a cheese/hack. Shouldn't have worked. Won't normally if they try and kill Mizora in camp.

Wow, thanks for detailed analysis. As I said in act 1 she doesn't have Zariels Protection as she supposed to talk to Wyll and everyone outright.
I'm really curious though how it will work out in underwater prison while saving Duke or her being captured by cultists. As for now Wyll has always "I want to speak" sign, but doesn't say anything unusual.