Dark urge Warlock question.

[Draknalor]

Hey.

I was wondering a bit.

Could the pact demon for a durge warlock not just.. tell them everything ?

Memory loss does not make much sense here

[Thomas D.]

Yes it could but why would it? Especially if its a demon that likes seeing people struggle maybe even really enjoys it.

Plus there are just 0 interactions with your demon or other beings you have a pact with (which btw. doesnt have to be a demon but could also be a god - maybe even the dark urge thing itself or just in general something powerful) in the game.

[Raz]

Originally posted by Thomas D.:

Plus there are just 0 interactions with your demon or other beings you have a pact with (which btw. doesnt have to be a demon but could also be a god - maybe even the dark urge thing itself or just in general something powerful) in the game.

... No it couldn't. There is no Pact of the Celestial which would encompass Celestials or a Divine entity. There is no Pact of Future Self which would allow you to make a Pact with yourself. It's Fiend (which could be a Devil or Demon), Eldritch Horror, or a Fey. That's it.

[Mike Garrison]

As a warlock, unless you are Wyll, you don't get much from your "patron" anyway. Just a few skill checks in a few places. Like, an Archfay Warlock gets a bonus to see the illusion of the hag's swamp.

[Thomas D.]

Originally posted by Raz:

... No it couldn't. There is no Pact of the Celestial which would encompass Celestials or a Divine entity. There is no Pact of Future Self which would allow you to make a Pact with yourself. It's Fiend (which could be a Devil or Demon), Eldritch Horror, or a Fey. That's it.

"Warlocks are seekers of the knowledge that lies hidden in the fabric of the multiverse. Through pacts made with mysterious beings of supernatural power, warlocks unlock magical effects both subtle and spectacular."
Source: https://dnd5e.wikidot.com/warlock

"Bound by a pact to an all-powerful patron, warlocks trade their loyalty for supernatural abilities and unique magic."
Source: https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Warlock

Exactly what I said, the only necessity is a powerful entity, which for example a god could apply, too. And if you know what the Dark Urge is (dont want to spoiler) then it would qualify, too. Also some gods might be even more demonic than some demons in the end...

Plus in general there are Celestial Pact Warlocks (even not included in BG3): https://dnd5e.wikidot.com/warlock:celestial

Also the Fey Pact already can include deities for example:
"Warlock: The Archfey

Your patron is a lord or lady of the fey, a creature of legend who holds secrets that were forgotten before the mortal races were born. This being's motivations are often inscrutable, and sometimes whimsical, and might involve a striving for greater magical power or the settling of age-old grudges. Beings of this sort include the Prince of Frost; the Queen of Air and Darkness, ruler of the Gloaming Court; Titania of the Summer Court; her consort Oberon, the Green Lord; Hyrsam, the Prince of Fools; and ancient hags.

Source: Player's Handbook"
Source: https://dnd5e.wikidot.com/warlock:archfey

Or the Great Old one:
"Your patron is a mysterious entity whose nature is utterly foreign to the fabric of reality. It might come from the Far Realm, the space beyond reality, or it could be one of the elder gods known only in legends. Its motives are incomprehensible to mortals, and its knowledge so immense and ancient that even the greatest libraries pale in comparison to the vast secrets it holds. The Great Old One might be unaware of your existence or entirely indifferent to you, but the secrets you have learned allow you to draw your magic from it.

Entities of this type include Ghaunadar, called That Which Lurks; Tharizdun, the Chained God; Dendar, the Night Serpent; Zargon, the Returner; Great Cthulhu; and other unfathomable beings.

Source: Player's Handbook"
Source: https://dnd5e.wikidot.com/warlock:great-old-one

The Great Old one could be a god that absolutely doesnt even care about you at all (thus no interactions) or has a "greater" plan with you without communicating it to you. Which would perfectly fit into BG3 lore, especially considering that withers help is kind of "god intervention", too and gods are basically want you to succeed.

Your interpretation is most fitting for the Fiend subclass:
"You have made a pact with a fiend from the lower planes of existence, a being whose aims are evil, even if you strive against those aims. Such beings desire the corruption or destruction of all things, ultimately including you. Fiends powerful enough to forge a pact include demon lords such as Demogorgon, Orcus, Fraz'Urb-luu, and Baphomet; archdevils such as Asmodeus, Dispater, Mephistopheles, and Belial; pit fiends and balors that are especially mighty; and ultroloths and other lords of the yugoloths.

Source: Player's Handbook"
https://dnd5e.wikidot.com/warlock:fiend

But even here it could be a deity, Baphoment is a lower deity for example.

And if you become such a powerful entity or even a god that has access to ways of bending the time and can establish a patronship through time then yeah, you could absolutely be your own patron.

But thats a lot of ifs even those becomeing powerful enough wouldnt be able to do or wouldnt be able to do in a way without altering the time in a way so that they would never become such a powerful entity.

In case of the Dark Urge, the Dark Urge could fully qualify to be the patron of the Dark Urge character and that he is drawing the powers he has from the Dark Urge - maybe even without knowing and maybe even without being a classical pact.

Or in general: it can basically be any powerful entity (good, bad, chaotic, lawful, whatever) and its a complete misunderstanding by most players that it is just some devils / fiends that can do Warlock pacts. While gods / deities 100% qualify for a pact and probably were even the first Pact Givers.

[Moonbane]

OP, what you are proposing isnt the canon choice or implemented at all.
Durge is a Storm Sorcerer.

[Thomas D.]

Initially it should be a Paladin as far as I know and they just changed it to Sorcerer, which btw. also works well - as Warlock would.

[Draknalor]

Originally posted by Moonbane:

OP, what you are proposing isnt the canon choice or implemented at all.
Durge is a Storm Sorcerer.

Yeah, It was just a shower thought :D

Should think twice before posting.

But you can’t delete a thread after it’s been posted, So it is what it is.

[Moonbane]

If you want a fiend warlock experience, then its Wyll you must play. And the evil god cleric experience is Shadowheart.
Infact I know many is eager for next update to main Shadowheart because of the incomming Death Domain that lorevise that is possessed by Shar, and isnt terrible like Trickery.

And yes, Larian was originally working with the Paladin for Durge, but they abandoned it as the Durge plot was not conductive to keeping the oath unbroken.

[Chaosolous]

Originally posted by Draknalor:

Originally posted by Moonbane:

OP, what you are proposing isnt the canon choice or implemented at all.
Durge is a Storm Sorcerer.

Yeah, It was just a shower thought :D

Should think twice before posting.

But you can’t delete a thread after it’s been posted, So it is what it is.

You can delete threads with less than 7 posts.

[Draknalor]

Originally posted by Chaosolous:

Originally posted by Draknalor:

Yeah, It was just a shower thought :D

Should think twice before posting.

But you can’t delete a thread after it’s been posted, So it is what it is.

You can delete threads with less than 7 posts.

The more you know :D

That comment was the 7th tho, and now we are up to 10