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Does Minthara have so few lines, or is this a bug?
Since recruiting Minthara in Act 2 at Moonrise, she hasn’t participated in any dialogue, even though I’ve cleared most of Act 2 already. While she occasionally comments while walking around, she never adds her input during actual conversations.

It seems like she’s rarely locked into dialogues. For instance, during the Thorm brothers' scenes (Thisobald, Malus, Gerringothe) she isn’t included and can move freely, whereas Astarion and Shadowheart are locked into dialogue and actively comment. Same with Raphael outside the Mausoleum or "He Who Was".

Oddly enough, I still see approval or disapproval notifications for Minthara based on my dialogue choices, even though she’s not involved. Is this intended or a bug?

I started an “evil” playthrough specifically to experience Minthara, but so far I’m a bit underwhelmed by her because she's so quiet.
Originally posted by Mike Garrison:
Minthara was intended to either be killed in Act 1 or picked up late in Act 2. So she has quite a few dialogue triggers in Act 3, but not much anywhere else (except for certain particular events in Act 2 related to acquiring her and killing Ketheric).
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Randolph Carter Dec 10, 2024 @ 12:55pm 
Just encountered Oliver and here too, all party members are locked in dialogue except Minthara. Weird.

I play completely vanilla btw, no mods at all.
Last edited by Randolph Carter; Dec 10, 2024 @ 12:56pm
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Mike Garrison Dec 10, 2024 @ 2:03pm 
Minthara was intended to either be killed in Act 1 or picked up late in Act 2. So she has quite a few dialogue triggers in Act 3, but not much anywhere else (except for certain particular events in Act 2 related to acquiring her and killing Ketheric).
Last edited by Mike Garrison; Dec 10, 2024 @ 2:04pm
seeker1 Dec 10, 2024 @ 2:41pm 
Her romance is somewhat late blooming too, particularly if you never had the tryst in Act 1, and only acquired her in Act 2. It pretty much only kicks into gear in Act 3.

The weird thing is you just have often acquired Halsin and Minthara (if you have) when if you try and take them back into Moonrise Towers, the game warns you against doing it, because they will be recognized. OK, I get that AFA Halsin, but I told the guards Minthara was my thrall and prisoner when I brought her out, so nobody should care that I'm bringing her back in.

(In practice, it really matters very little if you bring either back into the towers, unless you screw something else up.)

But new in Patch 7, she will acknowledge being KO'd by the player (if that happened), and ask why they did that.
Last edited by seeker1; Dec 10, 2024 @ 2:43pm
GrimAtrament Dec 10, 2024 @ 2:43pm 
Unfortunately minthara was kinda an after thought.
Яeplicant Dec 10, 2024 @ 2:55pm 
Originally posted by GrimAtrament:
Unfortunately minthara was kinda an after thought.

I'd even go as far as saying that over the course of the game the main focus is on the companions you get in Act 1.

Starting mid- to end-Act 2, when you're able to recruit Halsin and Jaheira and going into Act 3, you kinda get the feeling that Halsin, Jaheira, Minthara and Minsc are just tagging along because they have nothing else to do. Excluding the obligatory "let's stop the bad guys".

They have stuff to say, sure, but they're not exactly as fleshed out as Lae'zel, Shadowheart, Astarion, Gale or Wyll, which still grinds my gears or is just a me-thing personally.
seeker1 Dec 10, 2024 @ 3:06pm 
There's the six origins, which clearly have the most content. (some argue Karlach has the least of the six, as she was added last and latest).
Then you have "tier 2" - Halsin, Minthara, Jaheira, and Minsc. Who definitely have less, because they were never meant to be played as origins (though you can do it with mods, usually with weird results.)

If you "hack" Minthara to bring her back into Act 1 areas from Act 2, she literally has nothing to say.
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wtiger27 Dec 10, 2024 @ 4:52pm 
Originally posted by seeker1:
There's the six origins, which clearly have the most content. (some argue Karlach has the least of the six, as she was added last and latest).
Then you have "tier 2" - Halsin, Minthara, Jaheira, and Minsc. Who definitely have less, because they were never meant to be played as origins (though you can do it with mods, usually with weird results.)

If you "hack" Minthara to bring her back into Act 1 areas from Act 2, she literally has nothing to say.

Karlach will have considerable more content if you romance her.
Mike Garrison Dec 10, 2024 @ 5:03pm 
Karlach will have considerably less content if Wyll cuts off her head.
The game is not finished is your answer.

Or you could gauge the amount of attention the companions have gotten by the degree of horniness from the community, which Astarion got the most of (still don't get why - he's an insufferable snatch who isn't particularly attractive either).

Whereas Minthara, despite having the only working romance scene in the Early Access, has been shafted and forgotten probably because male gaze = bad or something (she had a steamer alternate romance scene in EA that you had to pass a Persuasion check for, but it got cut out of the full game), or, on a more serious note, she's just been heavily cut down / altered together with the proper evil route through the game we've never gotten, as well as many interactions and dialogues even in Act 1 which portrayed the characters as actually flawed and, egads, "problematic" (like entirely rewriting Wyll so he's not racist towards goblins anymore, and changing your response to Lump from "you're quite articulate for an ogre" to "you're quite the articulate ogre").

Can't offend a fantasy race known for being simple, but being a murderous maniac as the Dark Urge is totally fine. Priorities, right?

In any event, Larian've been mostly pretending Minthara doesn't exist ever since the "it's a bug" apology regarding her lack of content, apart from "approving" a metagamey way of getting her which makes her share a tent with Halsin because they're supposed to be mutually exclusive. Embarrasing, honestly.
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Randolph Carter Dec 11, 2024 @ 3:09am 
Originally posted by Ereghor the Enigmatic:
...derailing rant...

Uhm.. okay, whatever. Didn't ask, don't care 😂 Seems like this thread has now caught the attention of that kind of people. Time to disable comment notifications, I guess.

Nevertheless, thanks for the other answers. I figured that Minthara probably has more content in Act 3. Just wanted to be sure, because this dialogue lock thing is still weird (and kind of OP because you can place barrels, position, pickpocket etc. without restrictions).

I think they should have involved her more in Act 2 apart from her rescue and killing Ketheric. When you come through Rosymorn Pass and let yourself be escorted to Moonrise Tower, you get her right at the beginning of Act 2.

Well, it is what it is.
Last edited by Randolph Carter; Dec 11, 2024 @ 3:22am
Originally posted by 2shinrei:

Uhm.. okay, whatever. Didn't ask, don't care 😂 Seems like this thread has now caught the attention of that kind of people. Time to disable comment notifications, I guess.
See no "evil", hear no "evil".

No wonder they don't need to work on the game at all when people gobble up whatever's offered with no criticism at all.
Randolph Carter Dec 11, 2024 @ 3:48am 
Originally posted by Ereghor the Enigmatic:
See no "evil", hear no "evil".

No wonder they don't need to work on the game at all when people gobble up whatever's offered with no criticism at all.

🙄 Bro, I might even agree with your takes to a certain extent. But that's not the point of this thread. Just stop inserting (and tbh overdramatizing) this sh1t everywhere, derailing topics. Start your own thread if it bothers you that much, or just play something else. I can't stand the endless whining anymore. It's like a broken record.

Alright, now I'm really out, have a nice week.
Last edited by Randolph Carter; Dec 11, 2024 @ 3:53am
wtiger27 Dec 11, 2024 @ 4:25am 
Originally posted by Mike Garrison:
Karlach will have considerably less content if Wyll cuts off her head.

Lol.

The only reason Wyll is in my camp is because of Mizora.

And OP, Minthara has more comments in Act 3. but the only reason I ever get her in the first place is she already has some tadpole powers.

This run I am on now, I will just kill her and not have to bother with her attitude. She really does not add much to a party and even the romance with her is very lackluster.
seeker1 Dec 11, 2024 @ 4:34am 
Originally posted by Ereghor the Enigmatic:
In any event, Larian've been mostly pretending Minthara doesn't exist ever since the "it's a bug" apology regarding her lack of content, apart from "approving" a metagamey way of getting her which makes her share a tent with Halsin because they're supposed to be mutually exclusive. Embarrasing, honestly.

I think her most dramatic scenes apparently occur when she's being romanced by a Dark Urge who romanced her starting in Act 1, duels Orin & makes the decision to take control of the Absolute. So I've heard, never done that playthrough.

As for mutual exclusivity, there is an unimplemented scene which suggests Larian was considering keeping it that way. Meaning, if you recruit both her and Halsin, they have a confrontation and basically make an ultimatum, "her or me". (I mean, it makes sense, she WAS one of his captors.) (Although I would think maybe there could be a Persuasion check thing here.)

Anyway, they don't share a tent anymore. But, instead, Minthara takes over Halsin's tent, and now Thaniel stands next to her. Poor Halsin just now stands out in the rain, with no tent of his own. Although there's finally a mod to fix it.

I still think, whether or not there's a confrontation (and if they bring it back, I think the player should have a chance to resolve it), what's still a bit ... off .. is they kinda don't acknowledge each other's existence in the party. You can ask them about other companions, but ... neither seems to know the other is there. I am hoping Larian improves this a bit in Patch 8.

I get they changed their mind on them being exclusive, but now having changed their mind, make the new storyline consistent. I get it might require getting both VAs back to record a few more new lines.
Last edited by seeker1; Dec 11, 2024 @ 4:39am
Originally posted by seeker1:
Originally posted by Ereghor the Enigmatic:
In any event, Larian've been mostly pretending Minthara doesn't exist ever since the "it's a bug" apology regarding her lack of content, apart from "approving" a metagamey way of getting her which makes her share a tent with Halsin because they're supposed to be mutually exclusive. Embarrasing, honestly.
I am hoping Larian improves this a bit in Patch 8.
Well, it's been over a year by now and Minthara has been mostly overlooked save for the "bug" fixes regarding Act 3 dialogue lines and the recruitment - plus, they don't seem to even want to add any considerable content within the game itself rather than just slap stuff at the very end when all is already resolved - the only exception I can think of is Alfira/Dark Urge, and even that's relatively minor?

I highly doubt they'll introduce significant changes at this point, honestly. We're not getting a Director's Cut or anything this time unless they're keeping it secret, so there will be no justice for Minthara (there's this thread on the Larian forums where a particularly dedicated Minthara fan has done quite a bit of theses-ing in regards to her treatment by the devs) in the end, most likely. Disapponting.
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