This seems silly but how do u get a half-orc ?

[cire87]

I assume half elves are from one parent being a human and another being an elf
but how does it work for half -orcs ? i dont know much about D&D orcs but usually orcs are depicted in a very bad way .

[cire87]

thats what i was afraid of , unlesss the half -orcs mother was an orc instead of the other way around i can see it working out

[Rusted Metal]

Originally posted by cire87:

thats what i was afraid of , unlesss the half -orcs mother was an orc instead of the other way around i can see it working out

I was always curious about that when it comes to raping something for a baby, it sounds more reasonable for females to rape for a baby so you don't have to take care of a human mother that will be screaming, crying and trying to escape for 9 months.

It makes more logical sense in my mind, although orcs are dumb so that is a case to be made against it.

[Vixziค็็็็็n]

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Originally posted by ahmannw:

WotC was considering removing Half-Orcs from the game, replaced with orcs, because of the rape-riddled lore. I don't know that that plan has been permanently dropped or is currently just shelved.

They're changing the way races work altogether moving forward. They also, 3 years ago, published an article that had them defacto just change the lore of orcs and drow to be more politically correct as determined by sensitivity readers (their words in the article, not mine) because they saw them as inherently racist caricatures.

They also are trying to remove the word "race" from the game altogether because apparently that is also inherently racist. So is the idea of being half-anything, apparently.

WotC has gotten weird.

Sensitive readers that probably made up less than 1% of the consumer base mind you.

[The Dapper Dragon]

Originally posted by Recjawjind:

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

They're changing the way races work altogether moving forward. They also, 3 years ago, published an article that had them defacto just change the lore of orcs and drow to be more politically correct as determined by sensitivity readers (their words in the article, not mine) because they saw them as inherently racist caricatures.

They also are trying to remove the word "race" from the game altogether because apparently that is also inherently racist. So is the idea of being half-anything, apparently.

WotC has gotten weird.

An intelligent race being fundamentally evil is kinda questionable, so I get why they are moving away from that.

I agree with this. It was 'acceptable' for Tolkien because the Orcs in that setting weren't 'beings' so much as they were a force of nature. A generic 'bad' for the good guys to fight. But when you try to slap personality on to them, it falls apart.

I have no problem with the 'genetically evil' aspect being removed from the Drow/Orcs/ even Chromatic dragons. You can very easily change that over to culturally evil, which works better on all fronts.

[Cutlass Jack]

Now for a bonus question, how do you think we get tieflings?

[Rusted Metal]

Originally posted by The Dapper Dragon:

. A generic 'bad' for the good guys to fight. But when you try to slap personality on to them, it falls apart.

Tolkien Orcs were enslaved elves if i remember correctly. i don't think it was out right said to be canon but it was mention by Tolkien so i dunno if i would call them generic bad. they were breed to be evil.

[ExcaliburV]

Originally posted by Cutlass Jack:

Now for a bonus question, how do you think we get tieflings?

Infernal pacts manifesting in future generations, typically.

[The Dapper Dragon]

Originally posted by Rusted Metal:

Originally posted by The Dapper Dragon:

. A generic 'bad' for the good guys to fight. But when you try to slap personality on to them, it falls apart.

Tolkien Orcs were enslaved elves if i remember correctly. i don't think it was out right said to be canon but it was mention by Tolkien so i dunno if i would call them generic bad. they were breed to be evil.

I more mean on a meta level.

Tolkien was, from what I hear, diametrically opposed to the notion of a race of people being 'pure evil'. There simply wasn't such a thing in his world view, due in large part to his Christian background teaching him that everyone could be redeemed. Making no comment on the man's religion, just how it informed his writing.

But, he couldn't very well have a faceless mob of mooks for the good guys to overcome that had their own stories and personalities, since for all of it's in depth complexities, LOTR is a very simple story when you get down to brass tacks. What makes it so rich is everything around the central story.

[cire87]

Originally posted by Cutlass Jack:

Now for a bonus question, how do you think we get tieflings?

devil mating with another humanoid race ? probably humans

[ExcaliburV]

Originally posted by cire87:

Originally posted by Cutlass Jack:

Now for a bonus question, how do you think we get tieflings?

devil mating with another humanoid race ? probably humans

Nah, that's Cambions by my understanding.

[SpaceNvader]

Originally posted by ExcaliburV:

Originally posted by cire87:

devil mating with another humanoid race ? probably humans

Nah, that's Cambions by my understanding.

There's levels.

[Izuzul]

Ignore everyone else. The answer is easy. Horny Bards. Just like always.

[Vixziค็็็็็n]

Originally posted by The Dapper Dragon:

Tolkien was, from what I hear, diametrically opposed to the notion of a race of people being 'pure evil'. There simply wasn't such a thing in his world view, due in large part to his Christian background teaching him that everyone could be redeemed. Making no comment on the man's religion, just how it informed his writing.

This is incorrect. Tolkien was a follower of St. Augustine and thus believed that nothing starts out evil but believes that beings have the capability of becoming evil. After all he created beings of pure evil that once corrupted had no path for redemption or any motivation for seeking it.

I think the statement is only true for the children of IIuvatar but not creations twisted by Melkor and Sauron.

[The Dapper Dragon]

Originally posted by Vixzian:

Originally posted by The Dapper Dragon:

Tolkien was, from what I hear, diametrically opposed to the notion of a race of people being 'pure evil'. There simply wasn't such a thing in his world view, due in large part to his Christian background teaching him that everyone could be redeemed. Making no comment on the man's religion, just how it informed his writing.

This is incorrect. Tolkien was a follower of St. Augustine and thus believed that nothing starts out evil but believes that beings have the capability of becoming evil. After all he created beings of pure evil that once corrupted had no path for redemption or any motivation for seeking it.

I think the statement is only true for the children of IIuvatar but not creations twisted by Melkor and Sauron.

Like I said, that was just how it was told to me. Forgot to add 'I'm ignorant of a lot of it, and frankly, don't care enough to research'.

Point of the discussion was: Genetically evil races = dumb.

[.Master Jiren, The Strongest]

Originally posted by ahmannw:

WotC was considering removing Half-Orcs from the game, replaced with orcs, because of the rape-riddled lore. I don't know that that plan has been permanently dropped or is currently just shelved.

i grew up with the warcraft universe, not the dnd universe. So, since I don't know the DnD lore, my world is closer to the blizzard version. meaning orcs are actually capable of living in a civilized society and can be useful allies. i'm not in favor of tinting everything rose colored but i also dont like how some races are just "evil aligned" no matter what.

Also, genetically speaking, your mother could be the half orc and breed with another human or orc and you'd come out being 25% or 75% orc, and that would still be pretty much a "half orc" but yeah if you go back far enough there'd have to be some usually unfriendly intercourse.

However, its also not impossible that the orc could be the one who was raped. Magic sorceress with mind domination spells and all that.