Apparantly BG3 had an "Intimacy Director"

[northernwater]

No wonder some simple bugs were not fixed

[Soft-Hands]

Postat inițial de Space Goblin:

Do you think it's cheaper to have an actor sue you or go to the press because they were molested during an intimate mo-cap scene?

Being able to direct an intimate scene is something a regular director worth their shalt should be able to do easily. And hiring an extra director just for a handful of scenes does not prevent that from happening like some kind of cure-all panacea. The state of the entertainment industry and just how rife it is with both intimacy coordinators AND accusation of molestation should probably raise some questions about their actual efficacy.

Postat inițial de Renlish:

... What does having an intimacy director have to do with fixing bugs? That's two completely separate areas...

Pro-tip: there's pretty much an intimacy director/coordinator in any production that involves depicting things of a sexual nature. Also, they don't just sit around to ensure no one's actually rubbing pink bits.

Obviously there's more involved. I was being glib for comedic effect. But I do believe being able to direct a decent intimacy scene is something a general director should be proficient in doing. If they can't, maybe they should hire better directors.

[I Throw Rocks At Trains]

Someone didn't have enough to complain about today.

[Raz]

Postat inițial de Soft-Hands:

Being able to direct an intimate scene is something a regular director worth their shalt should be able to do easily.

If said director has never done romance scenes and dabbled in everything else, I would expect one to not know how to direct it just like how I would expect a direct who has never done an action film in their life, to fail at them, much like what happened to some of the recent Marvel films when they put directors who've never done action, did nothing but romance, to make them (The Marvels comes to mind).

[Ghost]

Postat inițial de Soft-Hands:

Being able to direct an intimate scene is something a regular director worth their shalt should be able to do easily.

Eh somewhat agree, but imagine there's a fair bit of a difference between regular directing and something that can stretch between a kiss or just sharing a bed under covers to full on porn. Also it's not really directing.

Postat inițial de Soft-Hands:

The state of the entertainment industry and just how rife it is with both intimacy coordinators AND accusation of molestation should probably raise some questions about their actual efficacy.

On this point, it's pretty much a completely separate issue. It's certainly a problem in the industry, but it's typically got nothing to do with the scenes. It's stuff happening in offices etc. not on set in front of dozens of people.

[Soft-Hands]

Postat inițial de Raz:

Postat inițial de Soft-Hands:

Being able to direct an intimate scene is something a regular director worth their shalt should be able to do easily.

If said director has never done romance scenes and dabbled in everything else, I would expect one to not know how to direct it just like how I would expect a direct who has never done an action film in their life, to fail at them, much like what happened to some of the recent Marvel films when they put directors who've never done action, did nothing but romance, to make them (The Marvels comes to mind).

That's a fair point. But a sex scene in a romance movie, directed by someone with experience doing romance movies and sex scenes, I imagine is still required by union rules to bring an intimacy director or directors on board anyway. I think we can agree that is unnecessary and excessive.

[Raz]

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Postat inițial de Raz:

If said director has never done romance scenes and dabbled in everything else, I would expect one to not know how to direct it just like how I would expect a direct who has never done an action film in their life, to fail at them, much like what happened to some of the recent Marvel films when they put directors who've never done action, did nothing but romance, to make them (The Marvels comes to mind).

That's a fair point. But a sex scene in a romance movie, directed by someone with experience doing romance movies and sex scenes, I imagine is still required by union rules to bring an intimacy director or directors on board anyway. I think we can agree that is unnecessary and excessive.

Not really because the intimacy director is an insurance policy for EVERYONE. Director included. Director could be a master at said scenes but it becomes a he said she said scenario after filming. Third party that's of the union marking everything as up to board kills a lot of that.

Should it be needed? Different argument altogether and probably wasn't needed before the whole Jeff Epstein crap and MeToo.

[Soft-Hands]

Postat inițial de Raz:

Not really because the intimacy director is an insurance policy for EVERYONE. Director included. Director could be a master at said scenes but it becomes a he said she said scenario after filming. Third party that's of the union marking everything as up to board kills a lot of that.

Should it be needed? Different argument altogether and probably wasn't needed before the whole Jeff Epstein crap and MeToo.

Aren't there a lot more people involved in any scene other than the director and one actor? Like multiple cameramen, keygrip operators, lighting and sound technicians, other actors, and so on? Hardly a he said/she said situation.

And ok, an insurance policy, that's a fair thing to suggest. But there are of course multiple others ways they can and probably do ensure such a thing doesn't happen. Hell they could probably film them filming the scene, which as ridiculous as that is would probably be more effective and cost less. Besides an intimacy coordinator isn't billed as being essentially a paid witness for insurance purposes like you're suggesting, but as expert consultants whose role is to ensure the actors give their best performance and ensure the scene is acted properly.... which is both the director's and the actor's job. And I assume the director's probably there too as they're filming, essentially meaning they have to be forced to hire a director and an extra special director to sit on his shoulder for just 1/8th of the project.

All of this brings to mind Amazon's 'Rings of Power' abomination, and how they hired a psychiatrist purely for the the one actor to help handle the 'avalanche of online abuse' (which of course no one provided receipts for). They were kept on retainer for the whole production even though, by his own admission, he never actually spoke to her once! Do you know how expensive full time psychiatric care is?! $100 CAD gets me an hour, and they kept that woman on full-time retainer for months.

Hiring expert consultants are of course a viable tool in any creative team's toolkit. But the fact that there are so many that they must hire or else, and whose actual 'efficacy' of their expertise is at least somewhat dubious, eventually builds into a massive financial drain that only complicates the process unnecessarily. Ultimately I believe this kind of bloat is why so many big budget projects flop now. There's simply no way such projects can earn enough of a profit a lot of the time, not to mention the whole 'too many cooks in the kitchen' issue.

An actually effective intimacy director hired. when needed. I imagine can really help a project, particularly with inexperienced actors. But one that by contractual obligation MUST be hired at increasingly exorbitant wages for projects that won't benefit from their involvement I can't imagine is a healthy trend. At this point it's starting to sound like an extortion racket.

All that being said, I'm going to now go look up how one becomes a paid intimacy director. If they really can get $1,500 USD a day to think about how people should/should not have sex in various fictional situations, Hell, I already do that and I'm getting only around $1,200 CAD a month living as a housebound recluse on disability.

[Mike Garrison]

I am fairly sure it's not just "touch here but don't touch there" kind of stuff. Probably also training and experience in "are you OK with this?" kind of questions, advice to the actors, advice to the crew, etc. Makes everyone feel more comfortable and safe and professional.

[FunkyMonkey]

Postat inițial de Mike Garrison:

I am fairly sure it's not just "touch here but don't touch there" kind of stuff. Probably also training and experience in "are you OK with this?" kind of questions, advice to the actors, advice to the crew, etc. Makes everyone feel more comfortable and safe and professional.

Exactly. It's kind of cute that many think of intimacy as only physical contact.

[Soft-Hands]

Postat inițial de FunkyMonkey:

Postat inițial de Mike Garrison:

I am fairly sure it's not just "touch here but don't touch there" kind of stuff. Probably also training and experience in "are you OK with this?" kind of questions, advice to the actors, advice to the crew, etc. Makes everyone feel more comfortable and safe and professional.

Exactly. It's kind of cute that many think of intimacy as only physical contact.

SAG-AFTRA's definition of intimacy coordinator:
An intimacy coordinator is an advocate, a liaison between actors and production, and a movement coach and/or choreographer in regards to nudity and simulated sex and other intimate and hyper-exposed scenes.

[Cass]

OP is really determined to be upset about this completely benign thing. They may as well be complaining that Larian has HR staff.

[Яeplicant]

Postat inițial de Cass:

OP is really determined to be upset about this completely benign thing. They may as well be complaining that Larian has HR staff.

Wouldn't be the first time either. I wonder what the next topic will be. My money's on them being unionized.

[Hobocop]

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Postat inițial de Cass:

OP is really determined to be upset about this completely benign thing. They may as well be complaining that Larian has HR staff.

Wouldn't be the first time either. I wonder what the next topic will be. My money's on them being unionized.

Caring about the people under their employ so they'll want to keep working with them? Shocking, unconscionable conduct.

[Ereghor the Enigmatic]

And they really should have hired a you-know-which-kind SFM creation afficionado instead if they were so adamant on making fantasy porn, because the scenes are painfully poorly animated and directed.

Was it said "intimacy coordinator" who approved the anatomy-ignoring Karlach scene? Or the Haarlep crash dummy humping?

That said, I can't help but be morbidly curious as to what Shadowheart's voice actress thinks about the amount of M/F r34 her character receives given her... views, since they're (the voice actors) suddenly so attached to the characters and all (a really good idea nowadays, especially if you're terminally online and up for an opinionated verbal bout or two...).

[Piperbird]

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Postat inițial de Chaosolous:

That's profits, not budget.

Profits = How much money you made from the product you created and sold.

Budget = How much it cost to make the product.

I never said 1 billion was cost. I use 1 billion in the context of available funds to do things with. Reread the thread.

That makes no sense. The money they made from sales after production was over is not 'available funds'.

I'm not sure why you're so butt hurt over an intimacy director, anyway. It's literally standard in all media where actors have to act out intimate scenes. Has been for decades. It's not a waste of money or a stupid thing to spend money on. It's just part of the industry.

What other thing in the budget are you going to complain about next? Sandwiches? Toilet paper? How very dare they spend their money without your approval first.