OMG Mystic OP!

[superlloyd]

Well.. it's hard to know if the Mystic is really OP or not since I am also using other "slightly" buffing MODs, cough cough (like XPx5, party size limit changed, more feats). So naturally that gives me great advantage. Mystic is pretty cool anyway.

But just reached Baldur's Gate's harper trader. And OMG those Mystic items (also part of the MOD)! :O

Ring of Mental Exhaustion: once per turn gain 2 mystic point for 2D6 psychic damage (just need to find a way to get immune to psychic damage lol)
Amulet of Mental Fortitude: Gain +6 to INT saving throw. And chosen proficiency bonus from Strength of Mind also gains this bonus.

mmm.. these wee the best 2. There like 6 or 9 other powerful items, but they are somewhat much more reasonable...

And.. omg I am spending all my gold! :O

[Shale]

Well yeah it's OP. If you're unaware it's based on a class that was publicly available for playtesting a good while back now, and there's a reason it never made it into 5e officially.
The class was too flexible, able to fill any role in the party depending on how you build them, and in most cases could outperform other classes in those roles.
Also consider in 5e their abilities aren't really spells, so anti-magic zones and counterspell didn't work on them (not sure if that's factored into the BG3 version though).

There's a good reason there still is no officially released Mystic class to this day. If they wanted to ever release it, it would require a massive overhaul.
Instead they made subclasses for other classes (none of which are in BG3 unfortunately, even though it'd have been great to have psionic classes available for those games when you really want to embrace the tadpoles) - Fighters got the Psi Knight, Rogues got the Soul Knife and Sorcerers got the Aberrant Mind.

[Mosey]

No kidding that a ton of mods are basically cheats.

[Hobocop]

Mystic never left the playtest stage, so there's bound to be some cheesy stuff.

[Forblaze]

5x XP? At what point do you just turn on god mode?

[Mike Garrison]

Very few people make modded classes that are designed to be weaker than the standard classes.

Although ... it would maybe be interesting to try to play BG3 as a Trader or something like that ... no special abilities at all except you get good prices on gear. Or a Farmer, who maybe has decent strength and constitution but has no magical abilities, armor proficiency, and can only use simple weapons.

[Raz]

Originally posted by Forblaze:

5x XP? At what point do you just turn on god mode?

The 5xp is because I bet they play classes to Lv20. So, yeah, it is turned on anyways. Hell, party limit removed in and of itself is a massive ridiculous buff.

[seeker1]

The main thing about the Mystic is selecting from the maze of Disciplines it has to obtain the powers you want. I'm just trying to make a psionic character, not a Swiss army knife. If you have the Expansion, there's a ridiculous plethora of them.

JMHO, the best Mystic disciplines to take to make a true psionic focused character are:
Subclass -- Order of the Awakened
Disciplines --
Psychic Assault
Psychic Disruption
Mastery of Force (for all the telekinetic force powers)
Telepathic Contact
Intellect Fortress
Precognition
Psionic Restoration
Psionic Weapon
Psychic Distortion (requires Expansion)

It is interesting playing a Mystic as it doesn't use spell slots, instead each psionic power (typically disciplines give you 4-5 powers) cost psi points, with the more powerful abilities using more psi points, natch.

It is nice the Mystic author made all the custom gear for the class; a lot of modders never do this.

As I've said, I still think the Mind Weaver is a bit better as a psionic class, it's easier to build, and its psionic/psychic spells still use the spell slot system.

[superlloyd]

Originally posted by seeker1:

The main thing about the Mystic is selecting from the maze of Disciplines it has to obtain the powers you want. I'm just trying to make a psionic character, not a Swiss army knife. If you have the Expansion, there's a ridiculous plethora of them.

JMHO, the best Mystic disciplines to take to make a true psionic focused character are:
Subclass -- Order of the Awakened
Disciplines --
Psychic Assault
Psychic Disruption
Mastery of Force (for all the telekinetic force powers)
Telepathic Contact
Intellect Fortress
Precognition
Psionic Restoration
Psionic Weapon

It is interesting playing a Mystic as it doesn't use spell slots, instead each psionic power (typically disciplines give you 4-5 powers) cost psi points, with the more powerful abilities using more psi points, natch.

It is nice the Mystic author made all the custom gear for the class; a lot of modders never do this.

As I've said, I still think the Mind Weaver is a bit better as a psionic class, it's easier to build, and its psionic/psychic spells still use the spell slot system.

I have 2 mystic.

First my character is a Rogue 3, Mystic of the Blade 17 (a MOD on the MOD) and he got the sunsword as his main weapon and boom she is such a powerful frontliner

But also Gale, is Wizard 11, Mystic 9. After Wizard 11 Wizard gain nothing in BG3 (since there are no spell 7+ and beisde once a day aint much), but with Mystic 9 I can create either 7 spell slots level 3 of 5 slots level 5!

[seeker1]

Actually, there are two ways now to get 7th-9th level spells. (And, there has been another. 5E spells included a small # of such spells, but I had to stop using it for reasons I've discussed.)

One is Advanced Tabletop Spells at Nexus. The modder there made it primarily for use in his Trials of Tav conversion, but you can use it in the regular game. It even has a version of the Wish spell.
The other is just recently released -- BG2 Spells at mod.io is interesting as
a) it's full of nostalgia flashback spells from 2E/BG2 like Contingency and Spell Sequencer.
b) but also it contains some 7th-9th level spells like Meteor Swarm and Mordenkainen's Sword (although they appear to be the 2E implementations)

The fact is, even without such spells, there's still a lot for wizards to take in levels 1-6 if you have spell mods like Mystra's, Valkrana's, etc. and you also can upcast them using your higher level spell slots. You can't upcast 6th level spells in the vanilla game, but you can upcast them to 9th level with ULC.

Anyhoo, these days I've moved on to the Mind Weaver. I tried out the Astral Seer but those damn Astral Instabilities drive me nuts, I hate them.

Forceblade seems to work really well for Lae'Zel ... I mix that with a bit of Psi Warrior and Kith'rak Gish (from Nexus). She can then be a decent psionic warrior, as a good Githyanki should, without contaminating herself with ghaik powers and abilities.

[.Master Jiren, The Strongest]

Originally posted by superlloyd:

Well.. it's hard to know if the Mystic is really OP or not since I am also using other "slightly" buffing MODs, cough cough (like XPx5, party size limit changed, more feats). So naturally that gives me great advantage. Mystic is pretty cool anyway.

But just reached Baldur's Gate's harper trader. And OMG those Mystic items (also part of the MOD)! :O

Ring of Mental Exhaustion: once per turn gain 2 mystic point for 2D6 psychic damage (just need to find a way to get immune to psychic damage lol)
Amulet of Mental Fortitude: Gain +6 to INT saving throw. And chosen proficiency bonus from Strength of Mind also gains this bonus.

mmm.. these wee the best 2. There like 6 or 9 other powerful items, but they are somewhat much more reasonable...

And.. omg I am spending all my gold! :O

get the mod that lets you summon a dragon.
way more OP

[superlloyd]

Originally posted by .Master Jiren, The Strongest:

get the mod that lets you summon a dragon.
way more OP

Haha :)

Well my aim was not to play MOD for the sole purpose of being OP, this is really an after thought.

My aim is cool MOD. I am playing a Dev with beautiful angelic wings. My character come from another plane, how cool!
Mystic has some cool class mechanic.

Summon a dragon is just being OP for the sake of being OP.

That said.. I think I found a scroll of dragon summoning! :P
But it's too big, can't go in most tight corridor! :O

[War Maiden]

Originally posted by superlloyd:

Well.. it's hard to know if the Mystic is really OP or not since I am also using other "slightly" buffing MODs, cough cough (like XPx5, party size limit changed, more feats). So naturally that gives me great advantage. Mystic is pretty cool anyway.

But just reached Baldur's Gate's harper trader. And OMG those Mystic items (also part of the MOD)! :O

Ring of Mental Exhaustion: once per turn gain 2 mystic point for 2D6 psychic damage (just need to find a way to get immune to psychic damage lol)
Amulet of Mental Fortitude: Gain +6 to INT saving throw. And chosen proficiency bonus from Strength of Mind also gains this bonus.

mmm.. these wee the best 2. There like 6 or 9 other powerful items, but they are somewhat much more reasonable...

And.. omg I am spending all my gold! :O

Yea, cheating is not being OP.
it is just straight cheating.

[superlloyd]

Originally posted by War Maiden:

Yea, cheating is not being OP.
it is just straight cheating.

Ok, I bite.... (*and also EDIT for clarity*) I got no idea what you mean... But I will assume you are one of those raving lunatic that shout cheating when I click the big install MOD button next to start game in a game I play in the comfort of my own home...

In that light... Mmmm... I realise don't have real question when I say it like that.
Although, I do wonder, what about difficulty setting in games? A most common occurrence!
Are they plunging you in unspeakable agony?!

[War Maiden]

Originally posted by War Maiden:

Yea, cheating is not being OP.
it is just straight cheating.

Originally posted by superlloyd:

Ok, I bite.... errmmm.... what do you even mean?!

It should be quite obvious, to everyone, even you.
Using mods is cheating. You know, CHEATING so you coming here, making a thread about the 'Mystic' whom isn't even a class or sub class Larian put in the game, and you're fussing that said 'Mystic' is OP? Seriously?

Originally posted by superlloyd:

Anyway since the word cheating seems to at least make sense to you...

Oh, look at you, trying to demean me.
I guess you think me too stupid to know what the word 'cheating' means... LOL.
Once again, seriously?

Originally posted by superlloyd:

I mean I dunno what even to say to that alien psychology... but out of curiosity, how do you relate or contrast cheating to build-in mod options and having fun?

"Alien Psychology". Wow, really?
It seems you are not the one whom understands the concept of cheating, but that is fine, not everyone can understand complex constructs that weave and measure together to form a picture, and even a 'big picture' at that.

Originally posted by superlloyd:

Oh, oh, I know, what about difficulty setting as well?Is that plunging you in unspeakable agony?!

Seriously?
What does the 'difficulty setting' have to do in ANY WAY regarding you using MODS and then coming on here complaining bout a class, that isn't even in the game, being OP?

"Unspeakable agony..."
Oh Goddess, child, you must be smoking some bad weed, or drunk, or both.

[superlloyd]

Originally posted by War Maiden:

Using mods is cheating. You know, CHEATING so you coming here, making a thread about the 'Mystic' whom isn't even a class or sub class Larian put in the game, and your fussing that said 'Mystic' is OP? Seriously?

Oh.. so you are one of those ravenous lunatic!
So, what is your favorite underwear choice to criticize? I am sure you have a strong opinion and is not afraid to share it hey?!

BTW you should know I also like pineapple on pizza and there was a game I played recently on easy difficulty! I hope that disgust you beyond words! :O
(yes, I think it was Indiana Jones and the Great Circle)

Originally posted by War Maiden:

Seriously?
What does the 'difficulty setting' have to do in ANY WAY regarding you using MODS and then coming on here complaining bout a class, that isn't even in the game, being OP?

"Unspeakable agony..."
Oh Goddess, child, you must be smoking some bad weed, or drunk, or both.

Seriously?
Why the big MOD button is any different from the big Difficulty button on the start screen? What is wrong with you? Are you stupid or something?