Even possible to beat Orin without meta gaming?

[No, I'm not, You are!]

TLDR: Maybe there is a way to beat her without combat, but I mean in combat, can you beat her without meta gaming?

I just had a few quickloads on her, and every single time she killed me within her own first turn. The only reason I managed to beat her, was bringing her low enough after a few crits and put a bleed on her. She still killed me, but she died from the bleed and then my party picked me up :D

I just can't imagine doing her on Honor mode without a meta build. Or... I guess maybe the half orc could work?

I'm a pure lvl 12 vengeance paladin, built her to tank (no mods)... But Orin for some reason gets about 10 attacks, overall doing well over 150 damage in her first turn... How the hell do you deal with that?

Even when I go slayer mode... she still completely beats down that HP and brings my humanoid form also to the brink of death... If I can't kill her in 1 turn... I'm dead, every single quickload.

I tried different convo options, so that she was either a slayer or herself... but it is the same either way, she does a crazy amount of dmg in her first turn.

What am I missing here :D ?

[Helldivers™ 2]

I wish i could tell you something useful but in my playthrough i just smacked her and she was a joke to kill. Maybe 4 turns? Just made sure I had a high armor class

[No, I'm not, You are!]

Originally posted by Helldivers™ 2:

I wish i could tell you something useful but in my playthrough i just smacked her and she was a joke to kill. Maybe 4 turns? Just made sure I had a high armor class

Yeh my paladin also does a LOT of dmg with the smites... but I would have to crit every single attack, plus bleed her, to killer her in one turn...

You say 4 turns... I guess you are meta gaming your AC then? Cause my pure paladin has 24 AC and gets absolutely destroyed in one turn.

Edit: Also was this default difficulty or higher? Cause Im on tactician.

[Helldivers™ 2]

Originally posted by Lil' Botchling:

Originally posted by Helldivers™ 2:

I wish i could tell you something useful but in my playthrough i just smacked her and she was a joke to kill. Maybe 4 turns? Just made sure I had a high armor class

Yeh my paladin also does a LOT of dmg with the smites... but I would have to crit every single attack, plus bleed her, to killer her in one turn...

You say 4 turns... I guess you are meta gaming your AC then? Cause my pure paladin has 24 AC and gets absolutely destroyed in one turn.

Edit: Also was this default difficulty or higher? Cause Im on tactician.

Tactician. Dark urge duel though not the party fight. Basically I had a good initiative and started hitting first, if you succeed any status effect that disables her somehow you win. Also if you get the slayer form she is ezmode.

In the big fight you have to hold her or have 1 character spam disables and debuffs, and 1-2 characters with many small attacks to burn through her unstoppable charges

[No, I'm not, You are!]

Originally posted by Helldivers™ 2:

Originally posted by Lil' Botchling:

Yeh my paladin also does a LOT of dmg with the smites... but I would have to crit every single attack, plus bleed her, to killer her in one turn...

You say 4 turns... I guess you are meta gaming your AC then? Cause my pure paladin has 24 AC and gets absolutely destroyed in one turn.

Edit: Also was this default difficulty or higher? Cause Im on tactician.

Tactician. Dark urge duel though not the party fight. Basically I had a good initiative and started hitting first, if you succeed any status effect that disables her somehow you win. Also if you get the slayer form she is ezmode.

In the big fight you have to hold her or have 1 character spam disables and debuffs, and 1-2 characters with many small attacks to burn through her unstoppable charges

I haven't figured out yet how to get the big fight. I guess you just start attacking without dialogue? :) That would have been a lot easier. I don't think I have disables on my paladin, other than a daze maybe.

[cyb3rc001]

> She still killed me, but she died from the bleed and then my party picked me up :D
So, the issue is that you failed many attempts?
Overall, she focuses on knocking you down (STR save) or inflicting bleed/fear on you (CON save), and physical multiattacks, so having aformentioned stats for saves (or bonuses to save), high AC and physical resistance (barbarian rage, stoneskin) can help.
Also, you can get rid of her unstoppable stacks (after dealing with cultists) by using multihit attacks (magic missile, monk's bonus action attacks).
Generally, you also don't want to tank Orin with one character since they'll get downed easily.

[No, I'm not, You are!]

Originally posted by cyb3rc001:

> She still killed me, but she died from the bleed and then my party picked me up :D
So, the issue is that you failed many attempts?
Overall, she focuses on knocking you down (STR save) or inflicting bleed/fear on you (CON save), and physical multiattacks, so having aformentioned stats for saves (or bonuses to save), high AC and physical resistance (barbarian rage, stoneskin) can help.
Also, you can get rid of her unstoppable stacks (after dealing with cultists) by using multihit attacks (magic missile, monk's bonus action attacks).
Generally, you also don't want to tank Orin with one character since they'll get downed easily.

This post is in preparation for my next run, which will be an honor run. Suffice to say after my current experience... I'm scared to death facing her again.

[Helldivers™ 2]

Originally posted by Lil' Botchling:

Originally posted by Helldivers™ 2:

Tactician. Dark urge duel though not the party fight. Basically I had a good initiative and started hitting first, if you succeed any status effect that disables her somehow you win. Also if you get the slayer form she is ezmode.

In the big fight you have to hold her or have 1 character spam disables and debuffs, and 1-2 characters with many small attacks to burn through her unstoppable charges

I haven't figured out yet how to get the big fight. I guess you just start attacking without dialogue? :) That would have been a lot easier. I don't think I have disables on my paladin, other than a daze maybe.

IIRC the big fight was way harder than my durge duel.

[cyb3rc001]

Originally posted by Helldivers™ 2:

In the big fight you have to hold her or have 1 character spam disables and debuffs

Keep in mind that she has 3 legendary resistances against being incapacitated, so you got to chew through that first. Her INT and WIS aren't very high tho, so there is a chance to inflict debuffs on her (she has magic resistance, still, which gives her advantage).

Also, yeah, you can surprise the cultists, but not the Orin herself, and she will transform into slayer immediately. Still helps a lot.

[Mösjöö Jompe]

Hehe... had a few 'quick loads on her'

[belgix]

I didn't found this fight particularly hard and my party was in mode explorer so I got Jaheira instead of Karlash in my party. Orin committed a big mistake at the beginning of the fight; jumping in the stairs behind my party. As soon as I saw she have unstoppable I moved my monk and Lae'zel to keep her busy essentially doing passive attacks and staying alive by drinking healing potions. I asked Shadowheart to play a supporting role in this battle and put Jaheira in charge of protecting Shadowheart from any attacks. As soon as Jaheira & Shadowheart were safe, I started the fun with Orin. Her unstoppable protection felt pretty quickly with 5 attacks per round from my monk and Lae'zel + scrolls of magic missile from Shadowheart. When she got no more unstoppable, Lae'zel almost killed her in a single round with 3+3 attacks (STR 23 + Silver Sword of the Astral Plane). At the end, it took me more time to kill the 6 remaining cultists (the ones who turn invisible) than doing the core battle.

This battle was like a chess game; no need to hit hard at the beginning of the fight, just think what will be your next move.

[chaosek]

Orin requires no tactics, just whale on her, use mind blast and whale on her some more. Done.

[northernwater]

Originally posted by cyb3rc001:

Originally posted by Helldivers™ 2:

In the big fight you have to hold her or have 1 character spam disables and debuffs

Keep in mind that she has 3 legendary resistances against being incapacitated, so you got to chew through that first. Her INT and WIS aren't very high tho, so there is a chance to inflict debuffs on her (she has magic resistance, still, which gives her advantage).

Also, yeah, you can surprise the cultists, but not the Orin herself, and she will transform into slayer immediately. Still helps a lot.

Otto's Irresistible Dance ignores these Legendary Resistance bufss. It is a Charm and not Incapacitation. Her WIS is +3 which is not hard to overcome at that point in the game. You can keep the Slayer locked in dance for the entire fight.

[Zeel Ara]

Just burst her down. All out damage, and let people stay down if they go down, unless you really don't have anything else to use that bonus action on. Nothing "meta" required. She is by far one of the simpler fights in an honor run. Can use Otto's if you have if, but you don't need it at all. Any all out damage setup will do.

[wtiger27]

She can be more challenging depending on the class you are playing as Dark Urge.

But not to brag, I have beat her on Honor Mode Rule set without any mods, cheats or whatever the hell is Meta Gaming.

She can hit hard, so your tactics have to adjust according to what class you are playing. If Fighter or Paladin, just go toe to toe with her. She dies fairly quickly.

I don't use the Slayer Form at all. I always play a Dark Urge on a Redemption Path. The cloak is the only gear I get from playing one. But my char is always level 12 and geared really well. With a lot of Legendary gear.

[Exarch_Alpha]

Having magic missile to remove the unstoppable charge is a must have indeed. Have your mage get good initiative and then a fighter and paladin with haste or potion of speed will ravage her