Question about Shart (Spoilers duh)

[Exarch_Alpha]

So I have a good relationwith her (no romance, just approval) and when it finally came to decide Aylin´s fate, I left it all to Shart... and she spared Aylin!

As a Dark Urge I nver imagined she would took that path, I imagined she would definitedly kill her and become justiciar.

So it´s MY dialogue options that define what Shart will do?

[Orion Invictus]

It's your interactions with her that determine the kind of person she eventually becomes.

I've had Shadowheart stab DAME AYLIN, I've had her spare DAME AYLIN. I've even had her help Astarion ascend without my input. There's a LOT of reactivity in this game (yes, even in Act 3).

[Exarch_Alpha]

But what exactly can I do in the gauntlet to make her evil and stab Aylin? Or are decisions made even BEFORE that that matter too?

[FunkyMonkey]

Originally posted by Exarch_Alpha:

But what exactly can I do in the gauntlet to make her evil and stab Aylin? Or are decisions made even BEFORE that that matter too?

What I know, lot of it happens before the gauntlet, yes.

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by Exarch_Alpha:

But what exactly can I do in the gauntlet to make her evil and stab Aylin? Or are decisions made even BEFORE that that matter too?

Yes, this is basically the ultimate conclusion (regarding DAME AYLIN's fate, anyway) of your interactions with her up until that point.

[Angel]

you got enough good girl points that she decided not to do it! awesome, I didn't get enough one time and well, guess what happened

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by Angel:

you got enough good girl points that she decided not to do it! awesome, I didn't get enough one time and well, guess what happened

You reloaded and killed her before she could kill the awesomeness that is DAME AYLIN?

[Raz]

Shadowheart and Gale both have a background system that tracks how you speak with them to determine if they will fall or rebel against their situation. However, both of them are hella buggy in how it works with Shadowheart have various points in her system that will hard lock it so you do not experience a certain dialogue with her where she OUTRIGHT questions her faith to Shar, and you even point out that her memory of the wolf attacking her looks to be a Selunite ritual with her wearing a Selunite necklace.

Gale breaks in a number of places as well but his biggest issue is that it is impossible to get his max conversation points for either choosing death or become a god. Other than that, he isn't as broke as Shadowheart (least, not in the same missing important context, his mainly just changes how he phrases things to you).

[seeker1]

The game literally has a secret point system. This was mentioned earlier. You can see what SH's approval is. You can't see (normally) how many of these points she has.

Wiki-related spoilers follow, including ... for myself (as I just learned new things having looked at this article).

https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Nightsong_Point

What she does with Aylin is dependent on two things: your Approval with her, and how many "Nightsong Points" she has. It's all laid out here.

BTW, I knew about these points, had read this before, did NOT know until I just found out now, that the Wiki tells you there are 6 total points and how to earn them.

Did I realize giving her a Night Orchid earns one of these points? Nope ... but I do now.
Did I know that if she earns 4 of these points, it will trigger a new dialogue about her starting to doubt Shar? No, but I do now. Wow, I keep learning things about this game. (I think I've never earned 4 of these points!)

If your Approval is 40 or higher ... the points may not matter so much, but otherwise ...

Also, there is a second point system, "Parent Points," that influence her ultimate decision about what to do about her parents.

... Seriously, until just now, I had heard of both these things, but never saw them laid out in this detail on the Wiki ... until I just came across this article.

[Chaosolous]

It's a system in the background done through dialogue choices.

I don't think the specifics of what triggers what has been parsed out, but yeah.

Like others have said, Gale and Shart have this system. Other companions might too but it's most notable with both of them, since they both can become 'good' or 'evil'.

[Inquisitor Firebrand]

yea its still buggy though I had 40 affinity and 3 or 4 points and I had no extra options I had to hard persuade her

[Raz]

Originally posted by Chaosolous:

I don't think the specifics of what triggers what has been parsed out, but yeah.

Its been completely mapped out. We know exactly which conversations trigger what. For one, we need the hand wound to trigger in conversations (outside of conversations and it breaks the system). And two, we need four points plus having Shadowheart show us her memory of being attacked by a Wolf to get her to betray Shar on her own.

[Chaosolous]

Originally posted by Raz:

Originally posted by Chaosolous:

I don't think the specifics of what triggers what has been parsed out, but yeah.

Its been completely mapped out. We know exactly which conversations trigger what. For one, we need the hand wound to trigger in conversations (outside of conversations and it breaks the system). And two, we need four points plus having Shadowheart show us her memory of being attacked by a Wolf to get her to betray Shar on her own.

Meh, shows what I know. 🤷‍♂️

[Talbot]

Interesting. Does Astarion have a similar system? Or Lae'zel? I generally tried to let my companions make up their own minds whenever possible and Astarion was the only one who ended up still an evil ♥♥♥♥.

[seeker1]

Originally posted by Raz:

Shadowheart and Gale both have a background system that tracks how you speak with them to determine if they will fall or rebel against their situation.
[snip]

Gale breaks in a number of places as well but his biggest issue is that it is impossible to get his max conversation points for either choosing death or become a god. Other than that, he isn't as broke as Shadowheart (least, not in the same missing important context, his mainly just changes how he phrases things to you).

Spoilers again.

I'm trying to find out if the Wiki has a similar article about Gale's supposed hidden "Goal Score" point system ... I don't think so. Nor can I find any other text article laying all this out (and you know I prefer text articles). There was something at Reddit but it looks like it's been deleted.

So here's a roughly 30 minute video explaining Gale's secret "Goal Score" point system, which apparently influences the big decisions - suicide or no, use Karsus Crown to become god or not - Approval matters, whether you romance him matters, but so does this other system .... (again, just stumbled across this myself ... had heard of such a system ... did not know how it worked) ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz9kgbMfX14

I think "SlimX" was ALSO the one who discovered how Nightsong Points worked.

EDIT: looks like to watch SlimX's video about Gale and his Goal Score point system, you MUST go to youtube and watch it there. That link will NOT let you watch it on Steam.

[seeker1]

Originally posted by Chaosolous:

I don't think the specifics of what triggers what has been parsed out, but yeah.

Just pointed out just now - how Nightsong points work and how to acquire them IS NOW laid out at the Wiki .... just discovered it myself ... it looks like "SlimX' discovered how both the Nightsong Points and Gale Goal Score points work (as well as the secondary SH Parent Points system) ... SlimX is the source of the Wiki article, and the author of the video about Gale's system (don't think the WIki mentions or links to SlimX's video, which can only be watched ON youtube) ....