I think I understand my biggest gripe about BG3

[Prophet Ge]

You know how with Skyrim, Fallout, RDR2, and other games, the outdoors environment is so well done and immersive, that you can just park your little character, and the let day/night cycle and environment do its own thing? Let the music slowly loop while you chill out and do something next to the PC?

BG3 doesn't do this.

[Lord Adorable]

引用自 Rusted Metal：

引用自 Vixzian：

At the end of the day it's still on rails. It has far less complicated a roadmap for choice than a great many games before it... and that's kind of a shame considering it's a D&D game.

Mind giving me examples? I'm always looking for games with true freedom in how you want to play and there is very little games that do that.

I know of one called Caves of Qud. Retro-style open sandbox game that I would define as a pure madhouse that intends for you to find ways to break it.
It's got everything. Futuristic stuff, medieval-style lore, you can destroy & dominate things with the power of your mind, cook the very concept of gravity & love over a campfire, banana trees want to kill you, spiders want to sell you lava and you can grow a hand out of your head that has an eyeball on it among other things.

It's not the prettiest of games though. Very retro. It's also got a VERY steep learning curve and you WILL die.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/333640/Caves_of_Qud/
Edit: Personally I like being an 8-armed, horned, gas-breathing, flying abomination with a weapon in each hand and a stinger full of venom.

[dulany67]

Good news: Starfield will be out the following week. Enjoy.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

引用自 Hobocop：

I'm glad it doesn't do this, because being truly open world robs the primary conflict of its urgency.

To be honest, I could do without the "primary conflict".

Just give me something akin to Breath of the Wild, but with no plot and no conclusion. Just side quests and open world.

[Hairy Coo]

Well pathfinder games have sort of a day and night mechanic, can't say it makes my experience more immersive. It works much better for 1st person RPGs.

[Rusted Metal]

引用自 Lord Adorable：

I know of one called Caves of Qud. Retro-style open sandbox game that I would define as a pure madhouse that intends for you to find ways to break it.
It's got everything. Futuristic stuff, medieval-style lore, you can destroy & dominate things with the power of your mind, cook the very concept of gravity & love over a campfire, banana trees want to kill you, spiders want to sell you lava and you can grow a hand out of your head that has an eyeball on it among other things.

It's not the prettiest of games though. Very retro. It's also got a VERY steep learning curve though and you WILL die.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/333640/Caves_of_Qud/

That looks and sounds like Dwarf Fortress, I'm in. Thank you for the suggestion.

[Hairy Coo]

引用自 Pan Darius Loveless：

引用自 Hobocop：

I'm glad it doesn't do this, because being truly open world robs the primary conflict of its urgency.

To be honest, I could do without the "primary conflict".

Just give me something akin to Breath of the Wild, but with no plot and no conclusion. Just side quests and open world.

That's the reason I never actually "beat" any of the Bethesda's games. I get too distracted and lose interest before I get to the main quest.

Don't think it would work here, combat mechanic will eventually get too repetitive.

[Vixziค็็็็็n]

引用自 Rusted Metal：

引用自 Vixzian：

At the end of the day it's still on rails. It has far less complicated a roadmap for choice than a great many games before it... and that's kind of a shame considering it's a D&D game.

Mind giving me examples? I'm always looking for games with true freedom in how you want to play and there is very little games that do that.

Sure. Depends on the type of games you like but theres everything from some of the Telltale games like Wolf among us, then theres some of the choice based games like Detroit/Heavy Rain, then there's some triple As like Nier, DA:O and Witcher 3...arguably some of the Fallout games. I say arguably because for some the outcome is still the same it's simply the paths to get there are more varied. Elex... Big rails but had choice which is Outer worlds.....

Most of those aren't open world though so if you mean have the freedom feel of an open world game but still have choices matter then you're looking at the oblivion games, some of the assasins creed games, arguably cyberpunk and RDR.

I'm trying to remember of Disco Elysium falls into this category or not as well.... Loved the game and know choices were a thing but can't remember if it had an effect on the ending.

[Rusted Metal]

引用自 Vixzian：

Sure. Depends on the type of games you like but theres everything from some of the Telltale games like Wolf among us, then theres some of the choice based games like Detroit/Heavy Rain, then there's some triple As like Nier, DA:O and Witcher 3... arguably some of the Fallout games. I say arguably because for some the outcome is still the same it's simply the paths to get there are more varied.

Most of those aren't open world though so if you mean have the freedom feel of an open world game but still have choices matter then you're looking at the oblivion games, some of the assasins creed games, arguably cyberpunk.

I'm trying to remember of Disco Elysium falls into this category or not as well.... Loved the game and know choices were a thing but can't remember if it had an effect on the ending.

Telltale games are great, so already done those.

Liked Detroit didn't like heavy rain all that much so i never finished that.

Nier, Witcher 3 ... they don't really freedom in the way that i want, you have to play a set character and you can't roleplay you can't kill who you want and you have to of course follow the story pretty linearly except for some exceptions like the witches of the bog in witcher 3.

DAO is great *chef's kiss* combat is the only meh part.

Fallout 1 & 2 & NV do absolutely the freedom with the kill who you want and be who you want.

I keep meaning to pick up disco elysium... although i saw the original devs got ripped from their IP.... so i don't wanna buy it if the money goes to the people who screwed over the original devs.

i appreciate the suggestions

[Quillithe]

引用自 Vixzian：

引用自 Rusted Metal：

Mind giving me examples? I'm always looking for games with true freedom in how you want to play and there is very little games that do that.

Sure. Depends on the type of games you like but theres everything from some of the Telltale games like Wolf among us, then theres some of the choice based games like Detroit/Heavy Rain, then there's some triple As like Nier, DA:O and Witcher 3...arguably some of the Fallout games. I say arguably because for some the outcome is still the same it's simply the paths to get there are more varied. Elex... Big rails but had choice which is Outer worlds.....

Most of those aren't open world though so if you mean have the freedom feel of an open world game but still have choices matter then you're looking at the oblivion games, some of the assasins creed games, arguably cyberpunk and RDR.

I'm trying to remember of Disco Elysium falls into this category or not as well.... Loved the game and know choices were a thing but can't remember if it had an effect on the ending.

I really wouldn't say stuff like DA:O or Witcher 3 gives you true freedom in how to play - you're very limited in what you can actually do (and that's actually a good thing in Witcher 3 even, since you're an existing character).

They're very choice and consequence scripted games, which is almost kinda the opposite - you're given two to four options explicitly and you choose one.

True freedom is more of a thing I'd associate with games with more emergent behaviors, like roguelikes, whatever you want to call dwarf fortress. It's actually something DOS 2 (to compare a complete game) did much better than DA:O for example, by giving you options to skip scripted areas by teleporting, or just murder everyone you see if you want, instead of having two openly scripted options coded into the game as dialogue and choosing one.

[Quillithe]

引用自 Rusted Metal：

引用自 Vixzian：

Sure. Depends on the type of games you like but theres everything from some of the Telltale games like Wolf among us, then theres some of the choice based games like Detroit/Heavy Rain, then there's some triple As like Nier, DA:O and Witcher 3... arguably some of the Fallout games. I say arguably because for some the outcome is still the same it's simply the paths to get there are more varied.

Most of those aren't open world though so if you mean have the freedom feel of an open world game but still have choices matter then you're looking at the oblivion games, some of the assasins creed games, arguably cyberpunk.

I'm trying to remember of Disco Elysium falls into this category or not as well.... Loved the game and know choices were a thing but can't remember if it had an effect on the ending.

Telltale games are great, so already done those.

Liked Detroit didn't like heavy rain all that much so i never finished that.

Nier, Witcher 3 ... they don't really freedom in the way that i want, you have to play a set character and you can't roleplay you can't kill who you want and you have to of course follow the story pretty linearly except for some exceptions like the witches of the bog in witcher 3.

DAO is great *chef's kiss* combat is the only meh part.

Fallout 1 & 2 & NV do absolutely the freedom with the kill who you want and be who you want.

I keep meaning to pick up disco elysium... although i saw the original devs got ripped from their IP.... so i don't wanna buy it if the money goes to the people who screwed over the original devs.

i appreciate the suggestions

I'd suggest Outward, Underrail, and Seven.

Outward is a...sorta survival game, sorta RPG with a bunch of options and failable quests. Underrail is an RPG where there's a fair degree of options, though less than Qud.

Seven is a ...top-down stealth immersive sim rpg action game? The plot is rather fixed, but your tools to resolve situations are pretty varied.

[Vixziค็็็็็n]

引用自 Quillithe：

I really wouldn't say stuff like DA:O or Witcher 3 gives you true freedom in how to play - you're very limited in what you can actually do (and that's actually a good thing in Witcher 3 even, since you're an existing character).

True freedom in a CRPG is subjective. I also listed those as not truly open world free games but ones where choices do have consequences and matter by games end so they absolutely belong in the conversation.

[Hex]

引用自 Hobocop：

I'm glad it doesn't do this, because being truly open world robs the primary conflict of its urgency, which has always been a problem for me with pretty much every Bethesda game.

Plus, the constant push towards every major franchise being open world contributes to fatigue of that particular style of gameplay.

Funnily enough, Bethesda already solved the problem in it's older games. Both Daggerfall and Morrowind tell you to go make a name for yourself and get to know the land before you take on the main quest. Neither game ever tells you you're in a hurry either while you do the main quest.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Star Citizen is very open world, and highly systemic.

[Rusted Metal]

引用自 Quillithe：

I'd suggest Outward, Underrail, and Seven.

Outward is a...sorta survival game, sorta RPG with a bunch of options and failable quests. Underrail is an RPG where there's a fair degree of options, though less than Qud.

Seven is a ...top-down stealth immersive sim rpg action game? The plot is rather fixed, but your tools to resolve situations are pretty varied.

Already sunk 100's of hours in outward and underrail but seven though... i haven't heard of that:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/471010/Seven_Enhanced_Edition/

this correct? only 955 reviews, the setting and gameplay looks really interesting thank you. have to check it out as well.

[Quillithe]

引用自 Rusted Metal：

引用自 Quillithe：

I'd suggest Outward, Underrail, and Seven.

Outward is a...sorta survival game, sorta RPG with a bunch of options and failable quests. Underrail is an RPG where there's a fair degree of options, though less than Qud.

Seven is a ...top-down stealth immersive sim rpg action game? The plot is rather fixed, but your tools to resolve situations are pretty varied.

Already sunk 100's of hours in outward and underrail but seven though... i haven't heard of that:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/471010/Seven_Enhanced_Edition/

this correct? only 955 reviews, the setting and gameplay looks really interesting thank you. have to check it out as well.

Yeah it's really didn't get much attention for some reason, but I think it's well worth the price on sale for sure, feels like (budget) Dishonored with a different camera and open world, roughly.

Also it comes with a free expansion I didn't even know existed until I ran across it in game.