What enemy skills can be silenced?

[pedrofrigoli]

So, it's mostly obvious which player actions are considered spells and which are not (althou some can be not so obvious when they don't consume spell slots)

But I find it really hard to identify which enemies, (mostly bosses and enemies with special actions), are worth to silence, and which of their actions will be blocked by it.

For example, does it worth to silence Ansur? Will Stormheart Nova be blocked?
I know that many of those are not actually spells, but special abilities, but also is the "A Coven of Hags" action from Ethel , which certainly can be silenced, and I don't find anywhere in description, or any reference in the bg3 wiki to which of these actions are affected by silence and which not...

And before someone says "just save, try it, and load", my current playtrough is honor mode, so I can't do that.

[Voy_teQ]

all spells can be blocked, ability i don't think so

[Drosta]

I don't really know.. as I've tried to stop bosses legendary actions with silencing and haven't had luck. When I know they are a spell caster with access to something like hold person silencing then works. But for a boss like the hag it did not. So I'll lurk here for answers as well... And if someone can also answer for me, why the Sussur Dagger doesn't apply it's silence when thrown I'd love to know.. because it's supposed to proc silence on hit. Is a throw not a hit? Or is it just bugged.. maybe I should ask this in the bug report section. :/

[Starwight/ttv]

Originally posted by Drosta:

I don't really know.. as I've tried to stop bosses legendary actions with silencing and haven't had luck. When I know they are a spell caster with access to something like hold person silencing then works. But for a boss like the hag it did not. So I'll lurk here for answers as well... And if someone can also answer for me, why the Sussur Dagger doesn't apply it's silence when thrown I'd love to know.. because it's supposed to proc silence on hit. Is a throw not a hit? Or is it just bugged.. maybe I should ask this in the bug report section. :/

Spells that have verbal components are blocked in the TTRPG. As far as I can tell in BG3, Silence seems to block all spells.

Again, read SPELLS. Not abilities. Not abilities that mimic spell casting. But actual spells.

[FunkyMonkey]

Originally posted by Voy_teQ:

all spells can be blocked, ability i don't think so

Not all spells, few can be cast while silenced, can't remember off the top off my head which, but they do exist. Often the spell's tooltip tells if it can be. I think Friends can, for example. Also Silence makes target's immune to Thunder damage.

[Raz]

Stormheart is not a spell. It's a Breath weapon. Think your Dragonborn's breath weapon. Ethel's Coven of Hags is supposed to be silenceable but some folks have ran into issues of her not being Silenced. Granted, they never proved any kind of information to go off of to show she was squarely in the Silence bubble but I digress, doesn't mean it didn't bug out neither.

Realistically, a good chunk of the special actions from bosses cannot be Silenced as most are innate abilities to their species, psionics, or weapon based.

Ethel
Kethric

Are the only ones who come to mind who can probably be Silenced from using their Legendary actions. All the rest come off as Innate abilities.

[pedrofrigoli]

Originally posted by Starwight/ttv:

Originally posted by Drosta:

I don't really know.. as I've tried to stop bosses legendary actions with silencing and haven't had luck. When I know they are a spell caster with access to something like hold person silencing then works. But for a boss like the hag it did not. So I'll lurk here for answers as well... And if someone can also answer for me, why the Sussur Dagger doesn't apply it's silence when thrown I'd love to know.. because it's supposed to proc silence on hit. Is a throw not a hit? Or is it just bugged.. maybe I should ask this in the bug report section. :/

Spells that have verbal components are blocked in the TTRPG. As far as I can tell in BG3, Silence seems to block all spells.

Again, read SPELLS. Not abilities. Not abilities that mimic spell casting. But actual spells.

I understand the description, but as I mentioned, the Hag's ability that I mentioned in the post, is actually silenced and she can't use it while silenced, and nowhere is mentioned that is an actual spell, so you're not answering what I've asked.

[pedrofrigoli]

Originally posted by Raz:

Stormheart is not a spell. It's a Breath weapon. Think your Dragonborn's breath weapon. Ethel's Coven of Hags is supposed to be silenceable but some folks have ran into issues of her not being Silenced. Granted, they never proved any kind of information to go off of to show she was squarely in the Silence bubble but I digress, doesn't mean it didn't bug out neither.

Realistically, a good chunk of the special actions from bosses cannot be Silenced as most are innate abilities to their species, psionics, or weapon based.

Ethel
Kethric

Are the only ones who come to mind who can probably be Silenced from using their Legendary actions. All the rest come off as Innate abilities.

Coven of Hags is silenceable, but I think her legendary action triggered by your own spells is not, that might be the confusion there...

Anyways, it seems silence it's not much of utility if that's the case, because there are actually few enemy casters and even spells like smite from paladins are not sillenseable...

Also is not that easy to silence in most cases, and enemies can just go out of the bubble.

[Raz]

Originally posted by pedrofrigoli:

Originally posted by Starwight/ttv:

Spells that have verbal components are blocked in the TTRPG. As far as I can tell in BG3, Silence seems to block all spells.

Again, read SPELLS. Not abilities. Not abilities that mimic spell casting. But actual spells.

I understand the description, but as I mentioned, the Hag's ability that I mentioned in the post, is actually silenced and she can't use it while silenced, and nowhere is mentioned that is an actual spell, so you're not answering what I've asked.

The ability is just Mirror Image but much better. It's illusion magic which is why it is a spell. There is nothing innate about creating illusions of herself. It's more of a mind puzzle to figure out, really.

[pedrofrigoli]

Originally posted by Drosta:

I don't really know.. as I've tried to stop bosses legendary actions with silencing and haven't had luck. When I know they are a spell caster with access to something like hold person silencing then works. But for a boss like the hag it did not. So I'll lurk here for answers as well... And if someone can also answer for me, why the Sussur Dagger doesn't apply it's silence when thrown I'd love to know.. because it's supposed to proc silence on hit. Is a throw not a hit? Or is it just bugged.. maybe I should ask this in the bug report section. :/

About the sussur dagger, this is actually related to how throwing mechanics work.
No magic weapon actually applies their properties when thrown, just the +1, +2, etc, and even then I think that works just for damage.
For any other magical property, like elemental damage, poison, etc, doesnt applies when the weapon is thrown. Maybe the way the game is coded, when you hit, it checks all conditions in your gear, but the thrown weapon is not part of your gear at that point.
You can also notice that weapon attack properties from other pieces of gear, like globes, rings, etc do apply on thrown attack, so I think I might be right on that.

The only applied magical properties when thrown (that I know) are the ones that specify to work when thrown, like Nyrulna, which doesn't applies the 1d6 thunder stat, but it applies the 3d4 thunder specified for throwing.


I totally agree the dagger should work by throwing, and actually having it in your inventory and be able to throw it without equiping it could be a really fun and useful tool to have

[pedrofrigoli]

Originally posted by Raz:

Originally posted by pedrofrigoli:

I understand the description, but as I mentioned, the Hag's ability that I mentioned in the post, is actually silenced and she can't use it while silenced, and nowhere is mentioned that is an actual spell, so you're not answering what I've asked.

The ability is just Mirror Image but much better. It's illusion magic which is why it is a spell. There is nothing innate about creating illusions of herself. It's more of a mind puzzle to figure out, really.

So what should I think about Raphael?
Diabolic Chains
Igniting Spark
Incinerate
Ravaging Inferno
Soul Drain is not even related to fire...
What's the difference between comparing Coven of hags with mirror image illusion spell, and not all these with fire evocation spells or the last one with a necromancy spell?

[Oonayah]

Mechanically, Silence is more than a way to simply negate spellcasting, where Counterspell is your best tool. Silence mutes absolutely everything in the bubble. My favorite use for Silence is to prevent an enemy from calling for nearby allies to help - I particularly love dropping it on Priestess Gut in the kitchen.

Of the baseline D&D spells, anything with a verbal component will be susceptible to Silence and they can be looked up online. For abilities, however, that's not the same. Dragons will breathe fire/acid/lightning/etc because they are dragons. Vampires can still Charm you (except Cazador, who fortunately forgets he can do that).

While I cannot say for certain with any authority whatsoever, it does seem as though anything that does not prompt you to Counterspell is also less likely to be susceptible to Silence. By Act 3, the bigger I-WIN button is Globe of Invulnerability.

[Hobocop]

Spells do actually account for components, but they're not listed anywhere ingame. Ice Knife, for example, which has no verbal component, works perfectly fine in Silence.

[Sonic Titan]

I don't think enemy skills aren't considered magic due to the materia type.

[Raz]

Originally posted by pedrofrigoli:

Originally posted by Raz:

The ability is just Mirror Image but much better. It's illusion magic which is why it is a spell. There is nothing innate about creating illusions of herself. It's more of a mind puzzle to figure out, really.

So what should I think about Raphael?
Diabolic Chains
Igniting Spark
Incinerate
Ravaging Inferno
Soul Drain is not even related to fire...
What's the difference between comparing Coven of hags with mirror image illusion spell, and not all these with fire evocation spells or the last one with a necromancy spell?

Difference is the power source. Comparing a Hag to a Devil. A Devil son of the second strongest Devil in the Nine Hells.

[Thomas D.]

Also keep in mind that Sorcerer for example can cast spells while silenced through meta magic. And maybe some immunities and so on can exist.