Eliminster? Or other cameo appearances?

[jinath715]

Besides Volo, I'm hoping we get some other cameo appearances from beloved characters in of the Forgotten Realms books or games. Jon Irenicus comes to mind. Drizzt Do'Urden possibly. Sarevok...maybe.
There are also rumors circulating that Minsc and Boo will be in BG3, but that might just be wishful thinking.

I definitely think Elminster will make some sort of an appearance just because he's a staple of the series. Much like Volo is.

I'd also like to see some memorable places from the other games. The Friendly Arm Inn or Ucaster School. Amn too.

[jinath715]

Nguyên văn bởi Vorpal Spoon:

Nguyên văn bởi Sew:

My predictions for BG3 Cameos. <3
1) Minsc : Don't want to spoil it for you, but he's unfortunately back! 😡 Somethings just never die, I wish he'd finally go away forever! He gives heroes a bad name, & make them look more ridiculous or over exaggerated then they should be!

Minsc was a bald fleshy spaceship with pockets; we all know who the real mastermind behind all of Minsc's actions. How dare you hate on his superior, intergalactic greatness :spacehamster: , have you no shame?

Nguyên văn bởi Vorpal Spoon:

Nguyên văn bởi Sew:

My predictions for BG3 Cameos. <3
1) Minsc : Don't want to spoil it for you, but he's unfortunately back! 😡 Somethings just never die, I wish he'd finally go away forever! He gives heroes a bad name, & make them look more ridiculous or over exaggerated then they should be!

Minsc was a bald fleshy spaceship with pockets; we all know who the real mastermind behind all of Minsc's actions. How dare you hate on his superior, intergalactic greatness :spacehamster: , have you no shame?

This made me laugh :)

Yes, Minsc was a rediculous companion and one I rarely used except when I had Dynaheir in my party. Plus, Boo is amusing and lovable.

For all his faults, Minsc wasn't nearly as bad as Ajantis.
Ajantis was just an arrogant buffoon.

[Dorok]

Elminster should be in BG3, if not, it's Larian laziness or overriding charge of work. Same comment for Drizzt.

BG3 offers many tools to add NPC from BG1&2:
- Companions
- Followers that are simplified companions.
- Followers at camp.
- NPC
- Books
- NPC Dialog

For me BG3 EA Act 1 is already very very wrong because of too few links with BG1&2, ok well done for Volon. For now I'll consider that all Act 1 new stuff for release will be work on that.

Here the casting that should have done Larian:
- Companion Minsc, I add him her because rumors are too strong without mention files already in game.
- Companion/Follower Viconia: She needs a story since BG2. I don't think she is in D&D lore past BG2 (BG1&2 aren't fully in D&D Lore but through a few unconfirmed rumors), but it's possible that BG3 will be). Will reveal links with Shadowheart.
- Companion/Follower Imoen: No matter main character origin, Imoen is a young girl/woman and close friend from MC childhood, but younger than MC. She doesn't remind how she arrived at the beach, she doesn't remind anything from BG1&2, her development will unfold all mysteries but will keep doubts and ambiguity even after end of BG3.
- Companion/Follower Jan Jansen: Inventor and talkative, it's a world of possibilities to write a cool companion.
- Companion/Follower Mazzy: She will finally graduate Paladin along BG3 play.
- Follower Xan: Constantly pessimistic, he was send on investigation on the events in BG town before the start of BG3.
- Follower Kagain: Same negativity against mostly any party member, he find Wyll pretentious and suspect he is telling tales about himself and quote he never heard anything about Wyll, he can't bear Shadowheart alignment incoherencies and suspect she fakes have lost her memory, he can't bear Gale and suspect he is a a total hypocrite manipulator that will lead party to its death, he can't bear any druid and MC Druid will be included for some sarcasm, he can't bear Astarion and find he is a simpleton, he likes Lae'zel but Lae'zel is quite negative about him it could end anyway in a quick romance. I forgot, he can't bear Imoen her naivety will lead party to death and he doesn't believe one second she is BG1&2 imoen or the result of some failed experimentation or magic, he can't bear Minsc and think Boo would be better with him than with Minsc, he is surprised Viconia is still alive despite she is a magnet for troubles but he is sure this troubles magnet will lead party to death, he can't bear Jan Jensen who talk a lot too much, he find Mazzy is a simpleton to believe she can graduate as a Paladin and if it happens he will have a negative comment on that, he can't bear Volon who talk a lot too much, he appreciates Xan comments but not Xan, he doesn't recognize Aerie and suspect she isn't Aerie and would like have negative comment on her but is wordless.
- Follower at camp Aerie: She became the witch of Minsc but lost Minsc until they met again in BG3. She is now wise and mature, founded a family but was in travel and stay at camp for advise for Minsc and MC.
- NPC Haer'Dalis: Returns from other planes, can be a temporary follower, will be happy to find back Aerie.
- Dialog: Branwen will reveal be an ancestor of Shadowheart.

There's a lot of possibilities, at least for some NPC appearance, but also for followers not as much developed than companion, it would be fun to be able make a BG1 party or a BG2 party.

[Dorok]

I don't remind any reason to enjoy Ajantis, he is one more annoying rigid Paladin, never been a fan of Minsc, but he is still a marking companion with some funny aspects.

[Vorpal Spoon]

Nguyên văn bởi Sew:

Nguyên văn bởi Vorpal Spoon:

How dare you hate on his superior, intergalactic greatness , have you no shame?

So if Minsc is really so awesome then let's see what Larian does with him to finally prove himself? I'll even apologize to his fans, it's not the first time a hero has surprised me either. But right now he's near the bottom of my list sorry. ✨🦸‍♂️

I think you missed the point.

[AdahnGorion]

Nguyên văn bởi Rance-sama:

I really hope we can meet Viconia. The Minsc rumors are from audio files dug up by data miners, so he is very likely in.
Drizzt would be nice since it's a time honored tradition to murder him.
Other than that idc really.

We know that Minsc is one of the companions but I agree that Viconia would be a nice cameo and a realistic one as well.
I like Drizzt a lot, but I actually don´t want him to appear in this one, but I do want books about him!

[Dorok]

Nguyên văn bởi Darkie:

Nguyên văn bởi Rance-sama:

I really hope we can meet Viconia. The Minsc rumors are from audio files dug up by data miners, so he is very likely in.
Drizzt would be nice since it's a time honored tradition to murder him.
Other than that idc really.

We know that Minsc is one of the companions but I agree that Viconia would be a nice cameo and a realistic one as well.
I like Drizzt a lot, but I actually don´t want him to appear in this one, but I do want books about him!

Sorry but as OP quoted it's a tademark of the series, Elminster, Volon, Drizzt.

Minsc, Viconia, Jaheira, Imoen, Edwin, Brawnen, Coran, Safana, Faldorn, Garrick, Montaron & Xzar, Quayle, Tiax are also in BG1 and BG2. I woud say that none but Minsc, Viconia, Jaheira, Imoen, Edwin, Montaron & Xzar are as much marking than Elminster, Volon, Drizzt. But Montaron & Xzar are killed in BG2. Safana and Faldorn are also killed in BG2.

Otherwise there's races with a too short live causing a problem for BG3, Minsc (but he is alive for some reasons), Jaheira (but possible as they can live up to 180 years), Edwin (but who know with mages seeing Elminster), Imoen (but her fate isn't clear for me), Brawnen (but could be fun that she is petrified again), Garrick.

Beside Elminster, Volon, Drizzt, that Minsc and Viconia that make much mor sense for a BG3 apparition, just a matter of Fame and to be well alive 100 years after. Imoen is a very special case as she benefits of Irenicus death to increase Baahlspan powers, but nothing clue she can live a long time, anyway an old Imoen wouldn't bring much.

So besides those killed and probably dead 100 years after but not with the same fame, this let: Coran, Quayle and Tiax . A small apparition in BG3 would be cool, but not as marking than Elminster, Volon, Drizzt, Minsc and Viconia.

[AdahnGorion]

Nguyên văn bởi Dorok:

Nguyên văn bởi Darkie:

We know that Minsc is one of the companions but I agree that Viconia would be a nice cameo and a realistic one as well.
I like Drizzt a lot, but I actually don´t want him to appear in this one, but I do want books about him!

Sorry but as OP quoted it's a tademark of the series, Elminster, Volon, Drizzt.

Minsc, Viconia, Jaheira, Imoen, Edwin, Brawnen, Coran, Safana, Faldorn, Garrick, Montaron & Xzar, Quayle, Tiax are also in BG1 and BG2. I woud say that none but Minsc, Viconia, Jaheira, Imoen, Edwin, Montaron & Xzar are as much marking than Elminster, Volon, Drizzt. But Montaron & Xzar are killed in BG2. Safana and Faldorn are also killed in BG2.

Otherwise there's races with a too short live causing a problem for BG3, Minsc (but he is alive for some reasons), Jaheira (but possible as they can live up to 180 years), Edwin (but who know with mages seeing Elminster), Imoen (but her fate isn't clear for me), Brawnen (but could be fun that she is petrified again), Garrick.

Beside Elminster, Volon, Drizzt, that Minsc and Viconia that make much mor sense for a BG3 apparition, just a matter of Fame and to be well alive 100 years after. Imoen is a very special case as she benefits of Irenicus death to increase Baahlspan powers, but nothing clue she can live a long time, anyway an old Imoen wouldn't bring much.

So besides those killed and probably dead 100 years after but not with the same fame, this let: Coran, Quayle and Tiax . A small apparition in BG3 would be cool, but not as marking than Elminster, Volon, Drizzt, Minsc and Viconia.

Its personal bias, that I don´t want Drizzt. I want him untainted for this one and rather just have references. I am well aware of whom is part of the first two games, that is about the Bhaaspawn (that story is concluded!!)

Viconia is again personal bias, but she could fit into the story line without forcing it, atleast in that we have seen or gussed about so far.


Imoen is a no go!!!!
For obvious reasons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VcLHYYhQtk

[Dorok]

That Baahlspan story is concluded has to be confirmed, it could be a first book that is concluded. Drizzt has no real link with that story or book, so it's just about Baldur's Gate series.

For Imoan, I know already only some people but many, can appreciate her in BG1. :-) This video quote is just a short quote and says nothing of her bizarre full story. There's a lot of untold about this character which let open space for filling the hole to explain her in BG3.

I'm among those players that will be disapointed if BG3 don't justify well its name. And this could be with characters appearence.

[AdahnGorion]

Nguyên văn bởi Dorok:

That Baahlspan story is concluded has to be confirmed, it could be a first book that is concluded. Drizzt has no real link with that story or book, so it's just about Baldur's Gate series.

For Imoan, I know already only some people but many, can appreciate her in BG1. :-) This video quote is just a short quote and says nothing of her bizarre full story. There's a lot of untold about this character which let open space for filling the hole to explain her in BG3.

I'm among those players that will be disapointed if BG3 don't justify well its name. And this could be with characters appearence.

The Bhaalspawn saga is ended!
Baldur´s Gate is named so because of a bad naming scheme. It was actually supposed to be named something else.

That being said, there will always be references, cameos etc etc etc in stories such at this and we will tie everything together in the lore. But this game is not about the Bhaalspawn, for obvious reasons.

The Imoen is just fun.... you should know.. But don´t you think it is enough that we already get Minsc ? atleast the lore supports this.


Anyway.. a matter of bias. But that last comment you make..... you don´t really seem to understand the origin of the series and the focus of the first two games (they could also without much issue have been named something much more appropriate... people that argue that it is due to the City... well then Baldur´s Gate 2 should have been Athkatla: Shadows of Amn...

[Vorpal Spoon]

Nguyên văn bởi GrandMajora:

Me don't like Drittz. Me don't know Drittz. Me don't know Drittz companions. Me don't read Drittz books. Me don't want what me don't know in new game cuz me don't know Drittz.

Why is it important to you that Larian remove/not include a character you say you know nothing about? Status quo and pandering? Would that not be the same as what your soapbox was about?

[Vorpal Spoon]

Nguyên văn bởi GrandMajora:

Nguyên văn bởi Vorpal Spoon:

Why is it important to you that Larian remove/not include a character you say you know nothing about? Status quo and pandering? Would that not be the same as what your soapbox was about?

Why did you edit my post to make me sound like a stupid neanderthal?

Baldur's Gate gave me the opportunity to kill Drizzt, and then punished me for acting upon it. I don't want somebody else's mary sue overshadowing MY character's accomplishments, and I don't want to play with a DM who's going to railroad me, when I deviate from their planned script.

"Me" was used in the possesive singular context, not "me" as in 'you can't write in English'. I've read your other post and no, I do not think you are stupid. Just your opinion is self-centered on "me, what I want" and then you say you know nothing about Drittz. I would say there is an opportunity to explore Fearun's more popular characters if anything, and you might find you like him if you saw him in other sources.

Baldur's Gate choices were never "canon" either. I would love to see Viconia in this game (yes, as fanservice so there, I said it), but which would happen in BG3-Viconia or the offspring of Bhallspawn and Viconia, who doesn't make it. See how agency and story 'canon' choices got wrecked.

[Dorok]

Bhaal is alive, that's clearly in lore references at least since some time. I never wrote BG3 could be Gorion's ward story, and agreed a book was concluded with BG2. When I wrote that a Bhaalspawn series isn't obviously finished, it's that BG3 main story could have links with the dead Bhaalspawns , could be a sort of new Bhaalspawn, could be a petrified Bhaalspawn and that's why Bhaal didn't came back as before, could be related to the death of all Bhaalspawn that didn't only resurrected Bhaal but resulted in some other effect, could be a Bhaalspawn coming from outer planes, and so on.

I except more from D&D and Larian than some cynic money goal. Ok with enough references to BG1&2 it could temper it, but still. And ok it's saying nothing on how good or not will be BG3, just on the cynic level of D&D.

[Dorok]

Nguyên văn bởi GrandMajora:

Baldur's Gate gave me the opportunity to kill Drizzt, and then punished me for acting upon it

it wasn't in original games, it's a choice done in EE version.

Nguyên văn bởi GrandMajora:

I don't want somebody else's mary sue overshadowing MY character's accomplishments, and I don't want to play with a DM who's going to railroad me, when I deviate from their planned script.

You didn't change the D&D lore, and it's not some DM or BG3 that will change that.

Ok you killed him, but in some way he get resurrected or you killed him in your dreams but it never happened in D&D reality.

[Dorok]

Nguyên văn bởi GrandMajora:

Nguyên văn bởi Dorok:

it wasn't in original games, it's a choice done in EE version.

I don't think I believe that. The first two BG games allowed you to attack and kill anybody you came across. Unless they were a an essential NPC to the main story, for whom killing them would effectively break the game.

Even children!

Yeah, BG3 doesn't let you commit rampant child murder, but the first two games did.

You can believe it, it's still referenced in old wiki still supporting old version of the game. Save imports was only of character and many items with few excluded.

With old games import was a wrong idea only leading to OP MC so no interest, but perhaps EE tuned that, and clearly it added some consequences.

[Rance-sama]

Nguyên văn bởi Dorok:

it wasn't in original games, it's a choice done in EE version.

bruh it was in the originals, at least in BG2 it was.
I owned a physical copy long before the EE cancer.