Any mods to get rid of the "Larian Stank"?

[Jeff Kaos]

I just wrapped up a playthrough of BG EE 1 & 2 and was super excited to play BG 3 only to be dissapointed by Larians crap. I wanted to like Divinity: Original Sin 2 but the overreliance on AOE combat and elemental synergy was too much for me. I just want to charge into battle, lob a few spells and have some strategic fights. But Larian just can't help themselves. It's like they're married to the idea of AOE items being in every environment. Okay, I guess I can deal with that if I have to. But where I'm starting to lose my patience is the grenades. I get that D&D has some grenade type weapons and magical items but they're rare and I've yet to see one in a regular campaign sitting at a table. But in BG3 everyone and their momma has acid bombs and poison bombs and explosive grenades that lay a puddle of BS all over the battlefield.

My question: is there a mod out there that makes Baldur's Gate 3 a true Dungeons & Dragons game instead of Divinity: Original Sin 3 (D&D mod)?

EDIT

All I wanted was a D&D game. But this feels like a Divinity: Original Sin game. And I'm simply asking if there' any mods that will make more like D&D? For example: Acid Arrows in every other D&D game I've played didn't have splash damage. Grease is a powerful spell that can turn the tide of battle in any encounter, even high level ones because of it's tripping ability. In this game it's just another AOE attack that ignites open flames. Any time I do anything in this game I'm as likely to hurt myself as I am the enemy. And in a turn-based game I'm not used to that.

[Hex]

Originalmente postado por 1337_h4x0r_xXx_deathlord666_xXx:

Originalmente postado por Hex:

If a DM allowed you to carry around several barrels of oil (something which most people wouldn't even be able to lift, let alone carry) and plop them down in convenient locations without anyone doing anything, I would walk out.

I've seen GM's let their players carry way worse in their Bags of Holding or on their tensers floating discs...
But Larian saving the additional step of using the bag of holding is clearly going to far!

Your character literally says "Wish I had a bag of holding" when picking up stuff, so they exist and you don't have access to one. You can act as smug and condescending as you want, it still makes no sense.

[Slav Mcgopnik]

The “larian stank” is so heavily nerfed in Bg3 outside of specific combos (cold/wet+electric, and pure barrelmancy if you so choose) that idk how it bothers anyone unless you play DnD purely as a “roll to attack and never do anything creative in combat” type game.

[Hex]

Originalmente postado por Hobocop:

I do enjoy how some consider the inherently limited by the tech of the time D&D games to somehow be more representative of a 'true' experience than stories upon stories of tabletop shenanigans that everyone recounts and actually remembers.

Internal logic is the most important thing in fiction.

"The different between fiction and reality. Fiction has to make sense"

Tom Clancy

[Starwight/ttv]

Originalmente postado por Zloth:

Originalmente postado por Starwight/ttv:

Sounds like OP just wanted AD&D and is crying because it's 5e instead.

Naw, that would be me. And I mostly want it so I can watch everyone suffer.

Ooo, fifth level wizard! Finally, double-digit hit points!

As hilarious as that would be, I think I'll take my buff 16 Con wizard over the frail AD&D wizards -any- day of the week LOL

Originalmente postado por Hex:

Originalmente postado por 1337_h4x0r_xXx_deathlord666_xXx:

Surely on the tabletop it would never happen that some players cast things like spike growth etc and then use various forms of forced movement to push/drag enemies through that...
It also never happened on the tabletop that players tried to push or lure enemies into traps etc...
Larian obviously invented all of that, so it clearly wasn't a thing long before DOS2....

If a DM allowed you to carry around several barrels of oil (something which most people wouldn't even be able to lift, let alone carry) and plop them down in convenient locations without anyone doing anything, I would walk out.

You do realize that encumbrance rules have many variations and that your carry weight is directly determined by your actual STR score right? So it is not inconceivable for a character who has a high str to ACTUALLY carry around barrels.

You also realize that encumbrance is probably the single most ignored rule by DMs in all of DnD--next to spell components, right?

Point being, almost nothing we see Larian doing or allowing in game is something you wouldn't come across at a table.

Don't like it, don't play, too easy chief. But stop pretending BG3 is somehow vastly different from what an average tabletop game might look like. People don't run DnD like the adventurers league, ffs.

Originalmente postado por Slav Mcgopnik:

The “larian stank” is so heavily nerfed in Bg3 outside of specific combos (cold/wet+electric, and pure barrelmancy if you so choose) that idk how it bothers anyone unless you play DnD purely as a “roll to attack and never do anything creative in combat” type game.

Sadly, this is exactly how a lot of DMs run their games. I've been in games where they don't even take elevation into consideration -_-

[Hex]

Originalmente postado por Starwight/ttv:

Originalmente postado por Zloth:

Naw, that would be me. And I mostly want it so I can watch everyone suffer.

Ooo, fifth level wizard! Finally, double-digit hit points!

As hilarious as that would be, I think I'll take my buff 16 Con wizard over the frail AD&D wizards -any- day of the week LOL

Originalmente postado por Hex:

If a DM allowed you to carry around several barrels of oil (something which most people wouldn't even be able to lift, let alone carry) and plop them down in convenient locations without anyone doing anything, I would walk out.

You do realize that encumbrance rules have many variations and that your carry weight is directly determined by your actual STR score right? So it is not inconceivable for a character who has a high str to ACTUALLY carry around barrels.

You also realize that encumbrance is probably the single most ignored rule by DMs in all of DnD--next to spell components, right?

Point being, almost nothing we see Larian doing or allowing in game is something you wouldn't come across at a table.

Don't like it, don't play, too easy chief. But stop pretending BG3 is somehow vastly different from what an average tabletop game might look like. People don't run DnD like the adventurers league, ffs.

Originalmente postado por Slav Mcgopnik:

The “larian stank” is so heavily nerfed in Bg3 outside of specific combos (cold/wet+electric, and pure barrelmancy if you so choose) that idk how it bothers anyone unless you play DnD purely as a “roll to attack and never do anything creative in combat” type game.

Sadly, this is exactly how a lot of DMs run their games. I've been in games where they don't even take elevation into consideration -_-

The weight of a normal wooden barrel full of liquid is over 200kg, or 500lbs. How many of those can you carry? For reference, a suit of plate armour is about 20kg.

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originalmente postado por Starwight/ttv:

People don't run DnD like the adventurers league, ffs.

I specifically ignore Adventure league, because it nerfs D&D to the ground, until nothing is left over that's actually fun about it....
TTRPGs are about living your fantasy, coming up with creative ways to solve problems.
Adventure League by its very design has to do away with most of that aspect to be somewhat objective...
So if one only knows Adventure league one only knows the worst part of TTRPGs in my eyes...
To everyone playing Adventure league I can only say find yourself a GM who doesn't stiffle your creativity, but tries to build upon it...

[Starwight/ttv]

Originalmente postado por Hex:

Originalmente postado por Starwight/ttv:

As hilarious as that would be, I think I'll take my buff 16 Con wizard over the frail AD&D wizards -any- day of the week LOL






You do realize that encumbrance rules have many variations and that your carry weight is directly determined by your actual STR score right? So it is not inconceivable for a character who has a high str to ACTUALLY carry around barrels.

You also realize that encumbrance is probably the single most ignored rule by DMs in all of DnD--next to spell components, right?

Point being, almost nothing we see Larian doing or allowing in game is something you wouldn't come across at a table.

Don't like it, don't play, too easy chief. But stop pretending BG3 is somehow vastly different from what an average tabletop game might look like. People don't run DnD like the adventurers league, ffs.



Sadly, this is exactly how a lot of DMs run their games. I've been in games where they don't even take elevation into consideration -_-

The weight of a normal wooden barrel full of liquid is over 200kg, or 500lbs. How many of those can you carry?

The weight of a barrel is going to depend on the size of the barrel and what your DM says, you are being obtuse trying to compare it to the real weight of one which a DM probably isn't going to know in the first place. So whats your point, if you even have one?

Also in 5e, the max your carry weight can be, assuming a 20 in str, for a normal character, is 300 lbs. that is carry weight, because it is 15 multiplied by your STR score. You can push, drag, or lift double that.

Again, you assume the DM rules that a barrel is actually 500 lbs. Also, from what I saw, the average 42 gallon barrel weighs 300, not 500 lbs. I have no idea what the ones in BG3 weigh because I never checked. I'll pull it up to see shortly.

Again, this ignores that a lot of DMs ignore carry weight anyway.

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originalmente postado por Hex:

The weight of a normal wooden barrel full of liquid is over 200kg, or 500lbs. How many of those can you carry?

What would you say, how many Swords, maces, greatwords etc you could realistically carry while still being able to fight without them hindering your movement?

[Hex]

Originalmente postado por Starwight/ttv:

Originalmente postado por Hex:

The weight of a normal wooden barrel full of liquid is over 200kg, or 500lbs. How many of those can you carry?

The weight of a barrel is going to depend on the size of the barrel and what your DM says, you are being obtuse trying to compare it to the real weight of one which a DM probably isn't going to know in the first place. So whats your point, if you even have one?

No, I'm pointing out how ridiculous it truly is. I said average wooden barrel commonly used to store stuff. For reference, a suit of plate armour is around 20kg, 1/10th of that. The reason they are the shape they, are is because you roll them, not carry them around.

[Starwight/ttv]

Originalmente postado por Hex:

Originalmente postado por Starwight/ttv:

The weight of a barrel is going to depend on the size of the barrel and what your DM says, you are being obtuse trying to compare it to the real weight of one which a DM probably isn't going to know in the first place. So whats your point, if you even have one?

No, I'm pointing out how ridiculous it truly is. I said average wooden barrel commonly used to store stuff. For reference, a suit of plate armour is around 20kg, 1/10th of that.

Again, most DMs aren't penalizing you for carrying 5 swords, 2 maces, 10,000 gp, plus whatever the hell else the average DnD player carries. There is a time and a place for campaigns like that; most DMs don't run dnd literally by the book, and encumbrance is one of the first rules to fly out the window.

If it really bothers you that much, get the bag of holding mod and you have an in game reason for being able to do so.

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originalmente postado por Hex:

a suit of plate armour is around 20kg, 1/10th of that.

Yet I've seen not a single person complain about being able to carry around 10 full sets of armor + a dozen different weapons....yet a barrel...that's where we draw the line...^^

[Hex]

Originalmente postado por 1337_h4x0r_xXx_deathlord666_xXx:

Originalmente postado por Hex:

The weight of a normal wooden barrel full of liquid is over 200kg, or 500lbs. How many of those can you carry?

What would you say, how many Swords, maces, greatwords etc you could realistically carry while still being able to fight without them hindering your movement?

One longsword is about 2kg so quite a lot. I mean, one barrel is the same weight as a 100 longswords.

[Hex]

Originalmente postado por 1337_h4x0r_xXx_deathlord666_xXx:

Originalmente postado por Hex:

a suit of plate armour is around 20kg, 1/10th of that.

Yet I've seen not a single person complain about being able to carry around 10 full sets of armor + a dozen different weapons....yet a barrel...that's where we draw the line...^^

Except that you can easily carry like 10 barrels. That's like casually carrying a car. Oh he's a barbarian so of course he could carry a bus.

[Starwight/ttv]

Originalmente postado por Hex:

Originalmente postado por 1337_h4x0r_xXx_deathlord666_xXx:

What would you say, how many Swords, maces, greatwords etc you could realistically carry while still being able to fight without them hindering your movement?

One longsword is about 2kg so quite a lot. I mean, one barrel is the same weight as a 100 longswords.

Yes, but there is a difference, if you want to get overly pedantic and real with it, about how much you can carry and how much you can effectively fight in. So you can carry quite a lot--if it weren't for the fact that you realistically need somewhere to put it. I own swords, I'd LOVE to see you stow more than a few inside an average backpack. (FYI you might not even get one in, with how long some of them can be). They are awkward to carry unless you wear them, and clearly your characters are not wearing them unless they are equipped.

Point being, the game (and the tabletop game as well), already are nowhere near realistic. And they don't need to be. It is Dungeons and Dragons, not Real Life Simulator. I wouldn't want to play Real Life Simulator. I LIVE in real life.

[Hex]

Originalmente postado por Starwight/ttv:

Originalmente postado por Hex:

One longsword is about 2kg so quite a lot. I mean, one barrel is the same weight as a 100 longswords.

Yes, but there is a difference, if you want to get overly pedantic and real with it, about how much you can carry and how much you can effectively fight in. So you can carry quite a lot--if it weren't for the fact that you realistically need somewhere to put it. I own swords, I'd LOVE to see you stow more than a few inside an average backpack. They are awkward to carry unless you wear them, and clearly your characters are not wearing them unless they are equipped.

Point being, the game (and the tabletop game as well), already are nowhere near realistic. And they don't need to be. It is Dungeons and Dragons, not Real Life Simulator. I wouldn't want to play Real Life Simulator. I LIVE in real life.

If every item in your inventory would show on your character, you would have 4 walking piles of trash.